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    Papers for vintage watches. possible? how important?

    hi im new here. been browsing for years but finally registered after i found an easier way to
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    With vintage watches dating as far back as over 150years old, is it feasible to insist on
    them having papers? what is the oldest paper you have?
    do you expect to have papers for vintages?
    how realistic is it?

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    Hi and welcome, personally I dont expect any papers or even a box but both would be a huge bonus. I would be just happy having all original rather then a Mumbai special with papers lol
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    Re: Papers for vintage watches. possible? how important?

    I don't have any papers for any of my watches. I suppose the purchasers of some very expensive watches might have kept the documents along with the watches, but its pretty rare at the price point I operate at..
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    Re: Papers for vintage watches. possible? how important?

    Quote Originally Posted by joeuk View Post
    Hi and welcome, personally I dont expect any papers or even a box but both would be a huge bonus. I would be just happy having all original rather then a Mumbai special with papers lol
    hi joeuk,
    i think most of us will prefer original...
    hahaha.... thanks for the welcome.
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    Re: Papers for vintage watches. possible? how important?

    Hi and welcome
    I have papers and boxes for many of my vintage watches going back to 1929.
    In most cases neither the papers nor the box are original to the timepiece - after I buy the timepiece, I search for papers and boxes.
    I have everything possible for my Harwoods even the share certificated from 1929

    For Rolex I have some 1930 boxes and instructions.

    Thats part of collecting, in my opinion.
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    Re: Papers for vintage watches. possible? how important?

    I think it's necessary to consider the context of what we are talking about. Unless you are collecting marine chronometers which might have been supplied in wooden boxes, watches generally were supplied in cardboard boxes. Some were fabric covered, some in paper but after fifty years even the most carefully stored cardboard box starts to wear out and will be discarded - who want to keep their nice watch in a tatty box?

    The other thing to consider is that for most earlier watches the boxes were supplied by the jeweller, not the watch company (after all American pocket watch makers sent just the mechanism to the jeweller where the customer would choose mechanism, then dial and then a third party watchcase for the jeweller to put together). I would say that if you are collecting modern vintage, say post 1950 it would be possible to collect watches in boxes. Possible, not easy. Before that I'd say it's possible to collect boxes and watches but the chances that the two were ever originally together becomes remote and even then it's most likely only with ladies watches.

    So for older vintage, yes, and you can imagine the chances of finding paper as well, but you could do it if you were very patient.
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    Re: Papers for vintage watches. possible? how important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirius View Post
    but you could do it if you were very patient.
    with patience you can normally find anything
    Took me 4 yrs to get a Harwood box, now I have both versions (UK and USA)
    It is amazing what crops up, and its a lovely sight to see a timepiece with box and papers.
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    Re: Papers for vintage watches. possible? how important?

    Patience and experience.

    For example, this is an original box and paperwork but not for the watch... (and it isn't a Timex)

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    Re: Papers for vintage watches. possible? how important?

    I also have a roamer box that came with a watch I bought but no papers so could be a box bought by the seller to sell with the watch who knows


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    Re: Papers for vintage watches. possible? how important?

    Well at least your box and watch are roughly the same age - the ones above are about forty years apart, so a potential minefield for a buyer.


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