Patria Trench Watch with Mealy "Duo" guard
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    Patria Trench Watch with Mealy "Duo" guard

    With this one, who made the movement? Doesn't look like Omega's trench watches of the era.

    And, there is no serial number on either the 15j movement or the case.

    No import or export markings either. No metal composition, so I assume nickel.


    Strange.

    Any explanations?

    Pre or Post 1918 for the watch? 1918+ dates the guard due to adverts. of the era.

    Cool piece of History, though.

    And nice Geneva stripes.

    In line for COA soon.
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    Re: Patria Trench Watch with Mealy "Duo" guard

    Patria is a Latin word cognate with the Greek πατρίς (patris), both of which derive from the word for “father”, or “fatherland”.
    PATRIA, company was formed by Mr. Louis Brandt in 1848. Then in 1903 César Brandt renamed the company to "Louis Brandt & Frère – OMEGA Watch Co." and that was the exact time when the name OMEGA officially appears as the official company name in the commercial registers (although after 1864 and the inception of the legendary 19''' calibre named "OMEGA", the company did produce & market pocket watches that featured the name OMEGA as well as the Greek Omega symbol – the last letter of the Greek alphabet – on the dial).


    So basically PATRIA is the mother (founder) of OMEGA.

    They made that watch with an integral guard, mine is dated 1917 (with integral guard)
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    Re: Patria Trench Watch with Mealy "Duo" guard

    Adam, thank you.

    Your post here and at NAWCC got me to thinking(always a hazardous undertaking), so I borrowed a copy of "A Journey Through Time" and was much surprised finding both our Trench watches on the same page 50.(Thank you, Mr. Richon for allowing me to use your picture for educational purposes only)

    Reading through this book I get the feeling Patria was an early(1885) model name or "brand", but by the turn of the 20th century and with the GREAT success of their 19''' PW movement named "Omega", the company changed its' name to Omega, and the Patria brand, by then, was a source of revenue at a different price point.

    According to the book, Record Watch Co. was even supplying movements placed in Patria pocket watches circa 1903.

    I think the difference in our movements proves two different companies were supplying the movements, because, even though both were produced circa 1917, both are different. It doesn't make business sense for one company to produce two 15j, 2 adjustment movements for essentially the same style of watch. Add in the rush to supply an American Army gearing up for War, and it would make sense to have more than one company supplying the movements. Omega engraved Trench watches are also different than either of these two, making it three movements for essentially the same style and size.

    Any thoughts on this conjecture?





    For reference(and for all who read this), the second picture is your movement.
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    Re: Patria Trench Watch with Mealy "Duo" guard

    They were two totally separate companies both in the same road.

    Patria manufactured watches and OMEGA a movement
    Patria was formed before OMEGA
    The Owner of Patria bought the OMEGA company (and caliber) and changed the name.

    In conclusion, Patria was never a sister company of Omega, indeed

    That is my understanding they bought Omega
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    Re: Patria Trench Watch with Mealy "Duo" guard

    Here is mine






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    Re: Patria Trench Watch with Mealy "Duo" guard

    Any thoughts on why there are no serial numbers on my case?

    My Signal Corps Omega/Patria has a serial number and both were made 1917-18.



    Yours is very unique, having the guard built in to the bezel, first one I've seen.
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    Re: Patria Trench Watch with Mealy "Duo" guard

    Old thread,thought I post my Patrias.
    So Patria before Omega,interestig!
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