Pics* factory lever set Howard L size?

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    Pics* factory lever set Howard L size?

    Good Friday afternoon everyone! I was trying to do some research on this movement I just bought, and I can't find anything on it.

    It is a series V lever set stem wound movement. The dial has the 1868 patent information. Everything I've seen says that they didn't make lever set L size movements, and the early key wound movements were sometimes converted and renamed Prescott. Mine appears to have originally been a key wind, but is now stem wind. It is not marked Prescott.

    I can post a link to the completed auction, if allowed, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
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    Re: lever set Howard L size

    I can't help you - but its fine to link to an auction for discussion purposes.
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    Please don't PM me to ask for a valuation - I won't attempt one.

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    Here's a couple pics, hopefully they help. Thanks!
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    Re: lever set Howard L size

    I would like to see an under-dial photo and a photo of the complete setting mechanism.

    Stemwind Howards(that were made as such at the factory) looked very different from yours, as did the "Prescott" movements.

    The winding eustaceon(or remnants of it, more properly) is very strange looking to me-I've seen nothing like it before. The stem is also very un-Howard-like.

    I'm inclined to think that conversion was done by a watchmaker and had nothing to do with the Howard factory, but would want to see the watch fully disassembled before making a complete judgement on it.

    Below is a "normal" factory stemwind L sizeName:  IMG_3465.JPG
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    Thanks Ben. It's looking more and more certain that there will be an Abbott stem wind conversion under the dial.

    I've never had one, so it will be a welcome addition although an original movement would certainly be preferred.

    I'll post under dial pics as soon as possible. I was thinking all Abbott conversions had a toggle rather than a lever.

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    Re: lever set Howard L size

    I seriously doubt it's an Abbott's conversion-that is not an Abbott's type lever...

    If it is in fact an Abbott's, the keyless works will be marked as such under the dial.
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    Here's the money shot. I still don't know what it's supposed to look like so I don't have a lot to go on, but having the serial stamped under where the lever is surprises me.
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    Re: lever set Howard L size

    Interesting...and definitely not an Abbott's

    Someone went to a lot of work to do that. I'm thinking that the keyless works are Elgin, but am not positive on that. I'll have to look through a material catalog.
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    This was found in Townsend's book and provided to me by David Abbe.

    It seems to provide some proof that at least a few movements left Howard's factory this way. Plates 47 and 48 are very similar.

    I'd really like to find a dial side pic of a movement to see if they look like mine.
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    Re: Pics* factory lever set Howard L size?

    Here's some info I found on the NAWCC Web site that also indicates that, while rare, Howard did make L size series V movements that were SW/LS at the factory.
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