Pierce model and age question

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    Pierce model and age question

    Seeing the recent postings on Pierce chronographs I found that I would like to find out model name and age of this one. The movement is a Pierce 103 (or 10.5''' depending on age) according to Dr. Ranfft:
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...swk&Pierce_103

    Anyone who have seen similar, or any reference?





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    Re: Pierce model and age question

    No information for you Erik, but I like it.

    Its interesting that they thought 'non-magnetic' was worthy of a dial mention, but not '17 jewels'.
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    Re: Pierce model and age question

    I saw a Boluva today that was almost identical to this one. Sorry, they don't have it on their site - otherwise I would have posted a link. I really like the deco design of this watch.

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    Re: Pierce model and age question

    Hi Erik,

    After the style I'd date it to the mid 40s. Before 1940 the movements were
    not signed as Pierce,and after ca. 1950 the Pierce 103 was equipped with
    Incabloc shock device.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    Re: Pierce model and age question

    Thanks Dr. Ranfft, that makes sense.
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    Re: Pierce model and age question

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    Hi Erik,

    After the style I'd date it to the mid 40s. Before 1940 the movements were
    not signed as Pierce,and after ca. 1950 the Pierce 103 was equipped with
    Incabloc shock device.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
    How concrete is that 1940 date Roland?

    The only reason I ask is that I have this one https://forums.watchuseek.com/showthr...ghlight=pierce and it is similar, but 15 not 17 jewels with much heavier geneva striping, and I would have thought from the styling that it was earlier than 40s. Really I have no idea, I am simply curious about mine.

    Also this site http://thewatchguy.homestead.com/pages/DATING.html has watches with this transitional case style as with the OPs watch (Elgin and Bulova etc) tagged as late 20s early 30s.
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    Hi trim,

    1940 is no very sharp point of time. The present owner of the brand still
    has some old records and shares this cut. Moreover movement registers
    before 1940 don't list Pierce calibres, while those after 1940 list both,
    Eclipse and Pierce, and after 1947 no longer Eclipse.

    But there may be a reasonable delay between registering a brand and its
    entry in registers (no Internet then ). And as the brand Pierce was
    registered by Leon Levy & Freres SA already in 1920 for watches, I've no
    idea, when this signature found its way onto movements. For Pierce
    watches probably already in the 30s, for movement customers probably
    really not before 1940.

    At the fist glance I'd place the watch you refer to also into the 30s.
    But these pillow shaped cases were longsellers - actually beginning in the
    20s like this Mido
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...sau&1039622533
    up to the 40s like this Longines
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-...sau&1257350414
    And the style of the hands of your referred watch would place it more
    likely into the early 40s.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    Re: Pierce model and age question

    Ah, I see. That makes sense to me. Watches sold by pierce will have had signed movements before 1940, bare movements sold to other manufacturers where only signed after 1940.

    I certainly agree about the hands, but who knows if they are even original to this watch by now. I have a Pierce Chronograph advert from 1939 (from the other thread ) that shows solid hands, yet Pierce clearly favored these style hands on their 40s chronos. So I suspect they were not using them on any watch they made prior to 1939.

    It is a shame no other adverts have come to light to help work such things out.

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    Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects."

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    No I hadn't. Thanks for that Marrick.

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