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    Please help - is this Girrard Perregaux real?

    HI All,

    I'm new to the watch world, and have seen this GP for sale. Please can you help a novice work out if it's original?

    Girard Perregaux Alarm Watch for $1,345 for sale from a Trusted Seller on Chrono24

    Thanks so much!
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    Re: Please help - is this Girrard Perregaux real?

    Hi,

    Dial is redone, seller says it's very nicely done but I personally get a self blinking eye from such art :D
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    Re: Please help - is this Girrard Perregaux real?

    If it has mass and volume - I think that it is safe to say that is "real".

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    Re: Please help - is this Girrard Perregaux real?

    Quote Originally Posted by pithy View Post
    If it has mass and volume - I think that it is safe to say that is "real".
    I believe that we all know what "real" means here, and especially in the context of watches, so perhaps it would be good to answer the OP's question?
    GP used the AS 1475:
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Girard-Perregaux 11 (AS 1475)
    Is the watch genuine apart from being a redial? It might be, however an AS 1475 movement is not really that hard to find, and to fake the GP signatures is nothing challenging. Keep in mind, that GP are quite often faked due to their generic movements. Get a case without engravings and an unsigned Peseux movement, have them engraved with the GP stuff, add a dial that fits the case and movement, and paint "Girard-Perregaux" on it. And there you go- you've just got yourself a GP. Such fakes are quite often seen on eBay. Where there is a repainted dial on a GP, some more things entirely wrong might be there as well. Anyway, it's not really necessary to go into details- the fact that a redial is being sold for over 1300 bucks is ridiculous enough to convince me that it's better to walk away from this one. Whether the rest of the bits is original or not doesn't matter anymore. In my opinion at least.
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    Terrible redial,terrible price,terrible first step into the vintage world,
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    Re: Please help - is this Girrard Perregaux real?

    Girand???? Can't believe.....




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    Re: Please help - is this Girrard Perregaux real?

    Even a newbie should see/identify the wrong printing on the dial. "Ginand" does not match the description "The dial may have been redone at some point....." Stay away from watch and seller.
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    Re: Please help - is this Girrard Perregaux real?

    Thanks for the advice everyone. I'll safely give this one a miss. Any recommendations on where a reputable online space is to buy vintage watches? I presume these forums are a good place to start?

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    Re: Please help - is this Girrard Perregaux real?

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    I believe that we all know what "real" means here, and especially in the context of watches, so perhaps it would be good to answer the OP's question? . . . .
    I certainly can't be included in your "we".

    There exist only a few states of condition that can be described without appreciable ambiguity and hence with some degree of universality.

    One is: "original as to the date of manufacture". This means just what it implies. No components have been changed or altered since manufacture.

    Beyond that - there are vast oceans of difference in interpretation of condition and state as you move from circle to circle - lacking any true concensus.

    And each subsequent state requires incontrovertible proof or it's just opinion that may either reflect a great deal of experience and knowledge and judgement or may not.

    I suspect that some fairly honest watches - particularly those with a great deal of wear or possible original defective component manufacture - have been impuned in various venues when reviewed in conditions subsequent to "original as to the date of manufacture".
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    Re: Please help - is this Girrard Perregaux real?

    Looks like you didn't get it, pithy- the OP asked if the watch is genuine or not. Real, genuine, original, one dog- the meaning of the question was clear enough. And instead of providing a rather obnoxious example of picking holes in someone's vocabulary, perhaps something more constructive than semantics-related claptrap would be in order? If I remember correctly, it was about a watch, not semantics.
    That's what I wanted to point out. No need to bloviate about ambiguities and universalities- it's incontrovertibly otiose. And as dull as ditchwater.
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