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    Hi everybody, My wife and I have found a watch in anongst some bits and bobs that where left to her years ago. It is a ladies solid gold automatic watch dating I have been informed to the 1930s. The mechanism is swiss and has a lovely hexagonal face. The watch itself is very very clean, the face clear and undamaged and amazingly it seems to run like a dream. The name on the watch says BEBO and I cannot find anything out about this timepiece. The rose gold strap is also wild, the links have little individual springs in them and every one is ok. If anybody can give me any help, please email me at [email protected]

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    I see references to India while Googling, but not much else (vintage).
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    Never heard of that watch brand. Any pictures?

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    All that sounds a little unlikely. A ladies watch with automatic winding from the thirties?! Automatic winding wasn't introduced to wrist watches until the twenties, rotor winding only in 1931 and it needed Eterna to come up with the ball bearing on the rotor ("Eterna-matic") in 1948 for ladies sized watches to really wind efficiently on a rotor. I suspect that the watch is small by modern standards but about normal sized by 1930 standards so that you erroneously assume that it was a ladies' watch.

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    Re: Please, Please help

    Mikrolisk shows Bebo as a name used by german watchmaker Franz Hermle & Sohn.

    http://www.mikrolisk.de/show.php?sit...ll#sucheMarker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmut Richter View Post
    All that sounds a little unlikely. A ladies watch with automatic winding from the thirties?! Automatic winding wasn't introduced to wrist watches until the twenties, rotor winding only in 1931 and it needed Eterna to come up with the ball bearing on the rotor ("Eterna-matic") in 1948 for ladies sized watches to really wind efficiently on a rotor. I suspect that the watch is small by modern standards but about normal sized by 1930 standards so that you erroneously assume that it was a ladies' watch.

    Hartmut Richter

    ... or from the 1950s instead of the 1930s.

    I agree on the rest .. unlikely to be an automatic watch from the 1930s, even less likely to be a woman's automatic from that period.

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    As Hartmut correctly says, selfwinding / automatic watches only started coming out in the 20s and 30s and as such, it's highly unlikely that this watch is an actual automatic watch.

    Are you sure it's not a handwound watch with a broken spring? Because if it is an automatic watch, it's probably going to be much later than the 1930s and probably a man's watch, women's watches were so small, I doubt that they could fit an automatic movement in there!
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    Hi there,

    the story of the ladies automatic is pretty short:

    The first industrially produced automatic was the Harwood bumper from
    1925, designed and made by AS:



    And as problems for gents automatics were big enough, nobody had the
    courage to even think about a ladies automatic.

    In 1931 Rolex announced the modern rotor concept, and of course blocked
    it for competitors by patents. But Rolex produced only cumbsy monster
    movements - 7.4mm thick, ridiculous compared with the 5.35mm of the
    older Haarwood. Nothing for ladies though:



    The only company who tried it without rotor was Eterna. And so the
    Eterna 1033 from 1941 was the first and only bumper which was, with good
    will, acceptable for ladies watches:



    When the Rolex patents expired in the late fourties, the competition was
    restarted. And again Eterna was the pioneer: Hardly to believe, but their
    first ball-bearing calibre was one for ladies:



    And there was really a progress since 1931. It has the same balance size,
    and even better winding efficency than the Rolex - with only one third of
    the volume.

    So an automatic is to be found by no means in a ladies watch from the
    30s, very very scarcely in the 40s, and actually popular it became
    not before the seventies, when it was outscored by quartz watches.

    It is therefore no wonder that ladies automatics are the only ladies
    watches with real collectors interest, and meanwhile some ar sold for
    similar prices like their gents counterparts.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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