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    Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    It seems we all like pocket watches but we continue to collect them
    for different reasons. When I show off a PW to someone in my family or a friend
    who doesn't collect them they are almost always attracted to the case and the dial
    the movement is secondary. They say, "what a lovely face that watch has"
    or "what a beautiful case", or is that a RR watch.

    One of the tipping points that made me want to collect watches in ernest was that I saw a
    very clear very closeup photograph of a highly jeweled watch and I could actually see the
    jewels in the settings. I was "WOWed" by it. I said to myself this is really cool.
    I had liked PW's very much already and always wanted to carry one and had collected a few
    but after I fell in love with the movements and had that WOW experience I was really hooked on them.

    I had collected some 7 jeweled watches back then and I wasn't a snoot
    but I knew I wanted ones that I could see the jewels and their settings.
    Eventually I also came to really like the plate/bridge layout of the watches too.

    I know some people who only collect only Railroad watches, and some who
    only collect key wind watches, and some who collect by brand name,
    and some that only collect 23 jeweled watches, and some that want a little
    of each. I also know people who collect beautifully carved cases in gold and
    other precious metals some with beautiful enamel work as well.

    I'm not really asking or trying to start a discussion here how or why you started collecting watches
    that has been discussed 1000 times, but once you started collecting
    which features of the watches you collect brings you the most "wow" factor.
    I eat pocket watches for breakfast lunch and dinner
    I like ketchup on them sometimes and maybe some spicy brown
    mustard. Sometimes I like them fried up in a Wok or
    made into a panini. They are so crunchy and delicious.

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    Re: Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    It was the brand each time for me. A Coventry Astral because of my local watch industry in Coventry, and because I owned others of the brands, a Swatch, a Le Gant, a K Worcester.
    Here is one of them:

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    Re: Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    I like the obscure. Things that are not explained or not explained well. There are allot of areas in early Elgin, and a few in Hampden Springfield that just grabbed my curiosity and won't let go.

    It's the movements first and foremost. I like the movements to be correct. The right screws, an appropriate dial and hand's (if possible). I enjoy learning what is correct. Finding research materials... Collecting observations... Filling in the blanks.

    My biggest thrill is finding a watch that fits into all that.

















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    Re: Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    This is what I'm talking about(for me) I paid $40(us dollars) for this movement.



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    I eat pocket watches for breakfast lunch and dinner
    I like ketchup on them sometimes and maybe some spicy brown
    mustard. Sometimes I like them fried up in a Wok or
    made into a panini. They are so crunchy and delicious.

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    Re: Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    Beautiful!

    Is that a ketchup, or spicy brown?




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    Re: Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    [QUOTE=G.M. Wheeler The 3rd;50665379]This is what I'm talking about(for me) I paid $40(us dollars) for this movement.


    Very nice Elgin! What's the serial number, size and model?

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    Re: Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    I haven't been at this pocket watch thing very long, but for now what attracts me the most in general is the history and in particular the dials and hands. I have a 15 jewel minimum that I've stuck to so far but have been sorely tempted by some 7 jewel beauties. I love a detailed movement, but they are definitely secondary to the dial and hands.

    Since all vintage pocket watches have a history, I focus on the external appearance starting with the dial. No hairline cracks, no chipped enamel, no issues with the hands. The case can look worn but not too worn. I guess I like my pocket watches to be old but not to look too old, lol.

    I try to collect from different makers but that doesn't always work out. I've got one by Hampden, Burlington, Hamilton and Ball but two by Waltham and Illinois. Just haven't found the right Elgin yet, which is surprising as there are so many. I'd like to pick up one from Rockford and South Bend as well. Then I might think about branching out and buying a British or even Swiss pocket watch or something more obscure.

    I go back and forth between gold filled and coin silver as well as 16s and 18s. And I even bought a solid gold one, a 14Kt 1900 Waltham, the only true gold watch I've ever had.

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    Re: Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    Quote Originally Posted by Bezelbub View Post
    Very nice Elgin! What's the serial number, size and model?
    Thank you for asking Bezel, this was made around 1893 it's a six size grade 176 with 2600 of them made.
    The 176 is considered the best 6 size Elgin ever made. I also like the grade 71 and 122.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickhufnagel7 View Post
    Beautiful! Is that a ketchup, or spicy brown?
    Thank you for asking Mr Rick, this particular high grade one needs to be sauteed
    in garlic and butter. BUT most importantly the 176 must be worn on a chain or it will try to get away from you.

    On a serious note, [ELGIN] The Elgin Watch Collectors Site is a great website to learn about Elgin Pocket watches.
    It has a serial look up and photos and old advertisements. It looks like it hasn't been updated in many
    years so you never know how long it will be there for.
    I eat pocket watches for breakfast lunch and dinner
    I like ketchup on them sometimes and maybe some spicy brown
    mustard. Sometimes I like them fried up in a Wok or
    made into a panini. They are so crunchy and delicious.

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    Re: Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    Here is another watch that shows the jewel settings which I also love.


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    I eat pocket watches for breakfast lunch and dinner
    I like ketchup on them sometimes and maybe some spicy brown
    mustard. Sometimes I like them fried up in a Wok or
    made into a panini. They are so crunchy and delicious.

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    Re: Pocket Watches: is it the case, the dial, the movement, the history

    Quote Originally Posted by DowningB View Post
    Since all vintage pocket watches have a history, I focus on the external appearance starting with the dial. No hairline cracks, no chipped enamel, no issues with the hands. The case can look worn but not too worn. I guess I like my pocket watches to be old but not to look too old, lol.......................
    I go back and forth between gold filled and coin silver as well as 16s and 18s. And I even bought a solid gold one, a 14Kt 1900 Waltham, the only true gold watch I've ever had.
    I also like the dials and cases too. I must say I do agree about Hairline cracks and
    big chips but I accept them on Private Label watches and other nice old dials, but I also try to find perfect dials too
    I think we all do. I do think in the long run if you are a collector you will get used to a few hairlines
    when the dials are cleaned you can't even see them with the naked eye.
    I also like the coin silver and gold filled cases but if they are original to the
    watch then I really don't care what shape they are in. I do hate when a back
    is cross threaded or doesn't go on well that is not fun.


    I did like the look of this one when I got it, it had the look of an old
    watch and reminded me of an old grandfather clock with cracks.
    Some were unhappy in my family when I cleaned the hairlines
    it didn't look like the same watch. To some it just looks like a crappy dial
    to others its the watches history.


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    I eat pocket watches for breakfast lunch and dinner
    I like ketchup on them sometimes and maybe some spicy brown
    mustard. Sometimes I like them fried up in a Wok or
    made into a panini. They are so crunchy and delicious.

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