Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

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    Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-VINTAGE-1966-OMEGA-CONSTELLATION-PIE-PAN-18K-GOLD-/190402144149?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Wristwatches&hash=ite m2c54da2795&autorefresh=true

    Wow. 66 18K Connie goes for over $2.6K.
    This is the kind of watch I like to daydream about getting cheap in the heyday of the quartz revolution of the 70's.

    Anyone else sense something off kilter about this auction though?

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    Re: Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    Uh, yeah

    For starters, the medallion was taken from a gold-capped watch case and plated to match the non-Omega made case. The bridge coloration doesn't match the rest of the movement. The case top doesn't look correct either. This is a total Frankenwatch, bitsa this and bitsa that.

    There are some fairly valuable parts on this watch. The dial and crown both look correct and in excellent condition. The hands and buckle might be real Omega, although the buckle is the wrong style (and color) for this watch.

    The real oddity is the watchband. It could be a real Omega band from the '60's. If so, it's as rare as hen's teeth. I've seen only a couple of these in the last five years. The gold leaf logo looks correct for the period, but it impossible to tell for sure from a picture.

    The bidding history looks rather odd. I suspect we'll be seeing this one again very soon.

    Hope this helps,
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    Re: Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    Quote Originally Posted by gatorcpa View Post
    The bidding history looks rather odd. I suspect we'll be seeing this one again very soon.
    Yep, keep an eye out for it. Over polished lugs too - the facets are nearly rounded off completely. If they sell for that much money, I'm listing my '66 Connie. It should sell for $3K based on what that listing ended at. Here's my "Desmond approved" caliber 564 pie pan:












    Many of the straps were single keeper style. The gold is worn off this one, but I have one on a Seamaster that's NOS so the picture in the eBay listing looks like it may be for real.




    By the way, a year or two before Omegamania in 2007 you could buy these for half of that winning bid.

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    Re: Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    Wow. Yours is stunning Focus.

    Gator, you can get those watchbands at Watchadoo.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

    It's marked Omega and is marketed as original Omega, but don't know

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    Re: Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlawyer View Post
    Wow. Yours is stunning Focus.

    Gator, you can get those watchbands at Watchadoo.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350360929888&ssPageNam e=STRK:MEWNX:IT

    It's marked Omega and is marketed as original Omega, but don't know
    That one is a modern watchband. Someone got a bargain there.

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    Re: Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    Hi gatorcpa,
    Quote Originally Posted by gatorcpa View Post
    The dial and crown both look correct and in excellent condition.
    I suspect, it is a common domed dial printed to look like a pie pan. Well done, but not perfect.

    But refering the crown I'd agree; it is probably the only original part.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft

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    Re: Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    If you have a chance, look at the bids - then click on the supposed winner "l***1" (who has one sole feedback) and check out his bid history. He's been bidding on the same seller's merchandise except for one time. He's a schill for that seller, but nowadays eBay keeps these things private so nobody can tell who's pulling scams.

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    Re: Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    I suspect, it is a common domed dial printed to look like a pie pan. Well done, but not perfect.
    Roland -

    I think that the dial is from a ref. 168.004 "hidden crown" Constellation, as opposed to the far more common 168.005 pie-pan. These had a more subtle pie-pan effect to the dial. Some also had heavy serif fonts like the one in the listing. Here is an example of a correct 168.004:



    Please compare to ulackfocus's beautiful Ref. 168.005 watch above. The .004 dial is a little larger, so it would not fit in a .005 case. The crown on the eBay example is correct for the .005, but not the .004.

    The subject watch is still a mish-mash of genuine and fake parts.

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    Re: Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    I am not even looking at ebay watch listings anymore except for information purposes, and this fine posting indicates care necessary for that purpose. I got tired of doing a lot of complaint notes to lying and mistaken sellers. My 6 month flurry of activity buying only some good stuff (12 well presented) was ok but I prefer to buy from NAWCC members, friends, and nice old lady antique dealers; one just sold me a fine all original fancy dial s.s. 1969 751 Constellation just serviced. $350.
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    Re: Prices Going Way Up on Vintage Constellations?

    98% Feedback - Bidding finger says NO

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