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    Re: Real or Fake Vintage Patek Philippe???

    Quote Originally Posted by ColdNY View Post
    Hey everyone, here's an update.... I stopped by our jeweler this afternoon to get the scoop on this. They are a former PP dealer (as of a year and a half ago). Still carry Rolex and a handful of other lines. I think of them a reputable and knowledgable jeweler. The watch was examined by their jeweler and watchmaker, in addition to the repair/service woman. They said it was a genuine piece and that I ought to send to PP for some much needed service. They also said the service would cost north of $1500, and to insure it at $5-$8k given the condition it's in. I also learned of the plastic face, and how they were typical based on the age of this piece. They thought PP would replace it, but may be able to replace it with quartz instead... think I ought to go back and get pics of the movement still?
    I stand corrected and amazed.
    Total piece looked a fake to me
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    I am glad that you can find so much time for your hobby and that it is giving you so much pleasure. As for "user unfriendly", this does sometimes happen and I find that it tends to be less the forum and more the internet connection. When things are running slow, you hit the "Submit" button once more and end up with a double post. This is not much of a problem - there is a certain space of time in which you can edit your post and delete the content, replacing it with a "Double post - Moderator, please delete" or something like that. We will then oblige.

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    Re: Real or Fake Vintage Patek Philippe???

    "Quartz" (crystal) is actually not sapphire but mineral crystal. Harder than plexiglass but softer than sapphire. And therefore not entirely scratchproof.

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    Re: Real or Fake Vintage Patek Philippe???

    I found this to be a fascinating post!

    I have only recently started down that dangerous track (from a habit forming point of view) of vintage watch collecting.

    My approach is simple but focussed. I am trying to rescue perfectly good watches from languishing unappreciated and being thrown out as junk. Hence I spend most of my time (and limited $) not online but at junk shops and Sunday market stalls and I have come to recognise a few handy pointers to what’s worth buying.

    I have a lot to learn and welcome other member’s corrections if I am way off the mark; buts here’s my 2c worth.

    I always thought this was a genuine PP for the following reasons (which are not based on having any knowledge of PP watches cos I have none).


    1. Look at its provenance – it came from the OP’s Grandfather (not an online auction site) which would strongly suggest to me that it may be original.
    2. Look at its condition – tell me if I am wrong, but I would think a faker would be unlikely to spend time making a watch look old, beat up and with a damaged/crazed glass.
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    Re: Real or Fake Vintage Patek Philippe???

    Which is, of course, why it's so foolish to make hard claims about authenticity in the absence of clear evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodmandod View Post
    I found this to be a fascinating post!

    I have only recently started down that dangerous track (from a habit forming point of view) of vintage watch collecting.

    My approach is simple but focussed. I am trying to rescue perfectly good watches from languishing unappreciated and being thrown out as junk. Hence I spend most of my time (and limited $) not online but at junk shops and Sunday market stalls and I have come to recognise a few handy pointers to what’s worth buying.

    I have a lot to learn and welcome other member’s corrections if I am way off the mark; buts here’s my 2c worth.

    I always thought this was a genuine PP for the following reasons (which are not based on having any knowledge of PP watches cos I have none).


    1. Look at its provenance – it came from the OP’s Grandfather (not an online auction site) which would strongly suggest to me that it may be original.
    2. Look at its condition – tell me if I am wrong, but I would think a faker would be unlikely to spend time making a watch look old, beat up and with a damaged/crazed glass.
    Provenance means little without more research, even grandfathers get caught.
    Its condition meant nothing, it did not start out even as a fake with crazed glass. That happens more readily because they are fake.
    finally anyone that own a genuine PF and fits that strap, points me immediately to a fake.

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    without all the photos and checking, it added up to a fake to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Provenance means little without more research, even grandfathers get caught.
    Its condition meant nothing, it did not start out even as a fake with crazed glass. That happens more readily because they are fake.
    finally anyone that own a genuine PF and fits that strap, points me immediately to a fake.

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    without all the photos and checking, it added up to a fake to me

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    I see what you are saying; but how long have fakers been out there to the extent they are now? If this watch was a fake it would have to have been a very old fake.

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    Re: Real or Fake Vintage Patek Philippe???

    The OP's watch was obviously a quite old one, with compression fractures on the crystal.
    The simplicity of design that has still small indicators of quality are there to see, if only you look hard enough, and know what you are looking for.

    The fact that it originally belonged to his Grandfather was also overlooked, or perhaps taken with a pinch of salt by some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodmandod View Post
    I see what you are saying; but how long have fakers been out there to the extent they are now? If this watch was a fake it would have to have been a very old fake.
    Since the beginning of time!
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    Fakes exist on anything and everything that is sellable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbee View Post
    The simplicity of design that has still small indicators of quality are there to see, if only you look hard enough, and know what you are looking for.

    The fact that it originally belonged to his Grandfather was also overlooked, or perhaps taken with a pinch of salt by some.
    Sorry, I can not agree with that.
    Even now, I can not believe this watch is genuine.

    Sorry
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