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    Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    Good evening from the US,

    Migrated this from the Longines forum.

    I recently received this nice jumbo 18kt rose gold Flagship from a fellow forum member. The watch is ca. 1960. They suggested it may be a redial.

    They in turn purchased the watch from a reputable WUS seller, so it's nice to keep it amongst enthusiasts.
    I didn't hesitate due to the nice condition, knowing that it may have had work done on the case/dial.

    I don't know too much about the Flagship series. I know that it's likely a South American model and has the Spanish word "SUIZA" on the dial at 6.
    30L is quite clean and winds and sets smoothly. Keeping very good time so far. Caseback has an 18kt hallmark.

    Could anyone provide some history on South American market Longines of this era? Does this look like an original dial?
    I noticed some asymmetry between the lines and metal markers. As a note, the dial is a nice eggshell black, not brown as the photos might suggest.

    I also noticed the case has had the midsection brushed around the edge as well as the outer parts of the lugs.
    Unfortunately whoever was brushing the lugs ground a bit off the midsection where it meets the lugs.
    Were most gold models fully polished or brushed in the midsection?

    Thanks and happy to join the vintage family,
    Mick

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    Re: Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    I can say its probably a redial ,as if you look at the cross hairs they dont quite match in the middle of the indices with the 12 o clock , 6 o clock and 3 o clock ,9 o clock .

    I cant help you with who made the case but from past posts and research, the South American market was all locally sourced/ manufactured case's. Info is very sketchy on these .

    If you contact Longines and ask for a extract, all free of charge they will give you some more info ( probably none on the case ) as this wont be in there records .They will be able to give you info on the movement approx year of manufacture . Is there any ref number printed on the case back ?, cant tell from the photos.

    As it is, its a lovely looking watch and Im sure you will enjoy it .
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    Re: Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    I also think that it's a redial. For a start, dark dials were rare in the old days and older flaws are more easily covered up by repainting in black or other dark colours. More importantly, the thin white "chronometre" cross doesn't meet the exact centre of the markers at 3:00, 6:00, 9:00 and 12:00.

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    Re: Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    Redial for sure

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    Re: Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    Thanks guys for the feedback, I suspected it was a redial after closer inspection. I don't see a reference number on the case back, just another serial number. Is that common? Other examples I've seen didn't have a separate serial number on the case back, just a 4 digit reference number.
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    Re: Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    it's 30L so finding a replacement non repainted dial should not be a problem
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    Re: Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    Where is a good place to look?
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    Re: Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    Thank you, for me the lines were also a giveaway, as well as the off center wing logo like bubba48 pointed out.
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    Re: Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    I’ve been recently bitten (again) by the Swiss vintage dress watch bug. This is while I’m still recovering from the vintage Japanese diver illness.
    There seems to be a lot of eBay sellers from Argentina who have very mint looking Swiss dress watches from Omega, Longines, Girard-Perreguex, IWC. All watches representing the classic vintage eras (50s -70s).
    Often times these watches come with little to no reference info (calibre, model, serial#, etc.). Thus, it is nearly impossible to confirm pedigree about the watches.
    I personally like the patina and the light bumps and bruises that come with a ‘true’ vintage watch. I also don’t mind paying my watchmaker $$ to make these watches hum again and knowing the watches’ pedigree....it’s part of the fun, at least for me.
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    Re: Recently Acquired 1960s Longines Flagship

    Pretty but we need a wrist shot :D
    What's he building in there?...I'll tell you one thing, He's not building a playhouse for the children.

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