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    To redial or not? Advice please

    Hi All,

    I have an early 1962 Tissot Seastar. I have not seen another one on the web with a full arabic dial - all the others I have found have plain hour markers (this is a unsubtle ploy to have you all prove me wrong and come up with lots of photos).



    I personally think it has gone beyond patina, and into ruin. However, I thought I would ask for other opinions before I commit my self one way or the other. If I do go for a refinished dial, I have seen good feedback about international dial.



    This is basically my first 'restoration' - hence a nice simple movement without complications such as date or auto. I have stripped and rebuilt a couple of AS movements as practice, and this will be my first 'keeper'.

    Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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    Re: To redial or not? Advice please

    Redialing is an art. I am not sure amateurs would be good at it.

    That said, this watch is a relatively common 60s/70s watch so you don't have much to loose by trying it.

    I too believe 'patina' is not the proper term... 'damage' might be. Good luck and have fun and Always Post Your Pics!
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    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eeeb View Post
    Redialing is an art. I am not sure amateurs would be good at it.
    I have pretty much decided to send it off to International Dial. TBH I am quite interested in what the result will be like. I am also wondering if they would do it in black.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eeeb View Post
    That said, this watch is a relatively common 60s/70s watch so you don't have much to loose by trying it.
    From the serial number on the movement it is: 1962.

    In any case I would not try my hand at fixing, servicing and restoring a rare or desirable watch as a first project. This one fits my needs I think, reasonably common, simple , good parts supply and I will still gain a reasonable watch at the end of exercise that I will want to keep (unlike a chinese practice movement).

    Quote Originally Posted by Eeeb View Post
    I too believe 'patina' is not the proper term... 'damage' might be.
    It is sometimes a fine line, I am glad to have agreement that this watch crossed that line a long time ago.
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    Be sure to let us see the finished article. Good luck.
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    Re: To redial or not? Advice please

    I'd redial. It is a cool, quality watch but not big bux so go for it.
    ID will do it in any color you choose. The only thing preventing gloss black would be if the dial is pitted, which it doesn't appear to be.
    I go with dull black sometimes, especially on resurrected divers and sports watches.
    They'll redo the hands for not many extra $.

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    Re: To redial or not? Advice please

    Maybe I can give some imput,
    As you say, likely to just save the watch and be happy with it.
    sugestion:
    If you don't mind the texts to be removed.
    remove all indexes.
    grind the dial with very!!!!! fine sandingpaper (? correct English?)
    buy in the trade so called silver finish paste
    It is a rub on Silver paste.
    degrease the plate VERY good. (thinner or alike)
    put the paste on, leave it, wash off with ammonia.
    then wash the dial with soap, GOOD....
    TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEALTH, IT CONTAINS CYANIDE!!!!! :oops:
    but the result is a very old style vintage Silver dial.
    then put on all the indexes, which are centered with small pinns.
    apply fluid glue on the back of the dial on the pinns.
    and you have a nice Vintage dial, ok with no texts.....
    It is nice pasttime for a rainy sunday afternoon......

    These pastes are used in the restoration proces of large clocks of the 17th/18th/19th century

    regards,
    RJ van Melle

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmelle View Post
    Maybe I can give some imput,
    As you say, likely to just save the watch and be happy with it.
    sugestion:
    If you don't mind the texts to be removed.
    remove all indexes.
    grind the dial with very!!!!! fine sandingpaper (? correct English?)
    buy in the trade so called silver finish paste
    It is a rub on Silver paste.
    degrease the plate VERY good. (thinner or alike)
    put the paste on, leave it, wash off with ammonia.
    then wash the dial with soap, GOOD....
    TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEALTH, IT CONTAINS CYANIDE!!!!! :oops:
    but the result is a very old style vintage Silver dial.
    then put on all the indexes, which are centered with small pinns.
    apply fluid glue on the back of the dial on the pinns.
    and you have a nice Vintage dial, ok with no texts.....
    It is nice pasttime for a rainy sunday afternoon......

    These pastes are used in the restoration proces of large clocks of the 17th/18th/19th century

    regards,
    RJ van Melle
    Now that sounds fun. I don't think I will try it on the Tissot - but..

    ...perhaps this Timor I have kicking around!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trim View Post
    Now that sounds fun. I don't think I will try it on the Tissot - but..

    ...perhaps this Timor I have kicking around!
    I also advise you to lacquer the dial when finished if you resilver by the classical process. Many of these silver compounds do, in fact contain silver, and the silver will darken with age when exposed to the air.

    As for the printing and indexes....presstype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhere else View Post
    I also advise you to lacquer the dial when finished if you resilver by the classical process. Many of these silver compounds do, in fact contain silver, and the silver will darken with age when exposed to the air.

    As for the printing and indexes....presstype.
    LOL presstype... Haven't heard that word used in years. Used to own (and use) thousands of dollars of Letraset back in the day. Didn't even know they still made it.


    The watch is a nice inexpensive watch. I'd send the dial to a good refinisher and be done with it. I'd actually wear it as is, but that's just me.
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    Re: To redial or not? Advice please

    don't do it...it's not in so bad condition

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