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    Robert Brandt et Cie

    Hi
    I have had this watch now for 2 years.
    I have tried on different forums to get some info, but there is not much around.
    I would like some questions answered on my pocket watch.
    It is an ultra slim Robert Brand et Cie gold watch. The movement is only 1.5mm thick. To wind the watch you need a male key.
    What I would like to know is, if there is some more information on this watch maker than there is in K H Pritchard who dates the maker to approx 1825


    Also why was this ultra slim watch made? There is just about no information available on these thin watches. I have seen a similar at the International Watch Museum in La Chaux de Fonds. I have written to them but unfortunately did not get a reply.
    I forgott to mention that the watch and the case have the same number. 681
    The number of the movement is under the dial and it also has a A G&G stamped next to it.
    I'm putting a couple of photos with this.

    Thank you for your help

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    Re: Robert Brandt et Cie

    Dear,
    WOW!!!
    This is one of the best floating barrels I've seen in a long time!
    This was at that time the best a man could get!
    very very beautifull and very valuable!
    it's complete and in magnificant technical state...
    very very nice little present to see on a tuesday's morning!
    thanks for sharing, I will have look if I can find something on it.

    nice day,
    RJ van Melle.

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    Re: Robert Brandt et Cie

    Was maybe by Brandt family member who established Omega? Makes the
    Ultraverithin Gruen look a little crude. A real fine art object.

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    Re: Robert Brandt et Cie

    That's a cylindre escapement watch made at a time when cylindre escapements were anything but pedestrian. Probably second quarter of the 19th century at the latest. A very nice, clean specimen.

    Hartmut Richter

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    Re: Robert Brandt et Cie

    Thank you all for your input.
    The Brandt family name is quite common in the Jura region of Switzerland and my entire search has found nothing to suggest that this Brandt has anything to do with Omega. It is possible that it is actually the name of 2 persons that have formed a company i/e Robert & Brandt. But I'm stuck and this is why I came here hoping to find out more. If you do an Antiquorum search on Robert, Brandt you find several watches that were produced by this company. Always flat and always beautifully made.
    So let’s hope some body can come up with that "special" info. I do believe that this watch was probably produced between 1825 and 1840. The low number 681 suggests the earlyer date.
    Somebody suggested that the movement could have been produced by Philippe Meylan.

    (The one you have resembles one signed by Philippe Meylan for Robert Brandt, with a "P.M." initial on the movement)

    But then I would expect to have the P M initials on the dial plate and not A G & G
    Pritchard has only a very small entry. Here is what she writes: See PDF attached.

    Kurt
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    Re: Robert Brandt et Cie

    I have nothing to add but admiration! This is an amazing execution of technology.
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Robert Brandt et Cie

    That is an incredibly thin watch.

    Amazingly, two of these movements would fit into the depth of the
    dial plate of the pocketwatch on my bench which is 3.5mm deep and
    there would still be half a mm spare.

    Unfortuanately I can provide no information on the makers but as to why
    it was made then I would suggest simply because the watchmaker could...
    he had the skills and so why not, and he would tap a niche market for this
    expensive production.

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    Re: Robert Brandt et Cie

    Acording to my books:
    Robert Brandt en cie Ca. Chaux-de-fonds. ca 1825
    only few watches known world wide.
    few enamel dials one silver dial
    VERY VERY high end quality.
    hope have been of help.

    regards,
    RJ van Melle

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    Re: Robert Brandt et Cie

    I just found this on the net: http://www.antiquorum.com/html/vox/v...atch/watch.htm

    Here they discuss the rarity of these ultra slim watches. I guess my watch is the Vacheron caliber.

    Kurt

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    Re: Robert Brandt et Cie

    Dear Kurtnz,

    I think I disagree with you.
    The empire era is one of my periods of wich I restore a lot.
    (most of my work dates back from this period)
    What I see completely is in accordance with the 1825 era.
    The Robert Brandt et Cie. was just one of the numerous firms around that periode that took watchmaking to a height what never ever was reproduced ever after. In the books it is noted as a manufacturer...
    Brequet from this period is ofcourse the most famous name.
    I see no wheels like Vacheron, no teeth in module form.
    Spokes of the wheels that still live in the 18th century end so on.....
    What I see is genuine craftmenship early 19th century.

    I once had a travelers clock around 1820 in the shop: only to be 22 mm thick!!!! 8 day with alarm and grande repetition!
    the 22 mm was include the dial! with a very early form of cylinder escapement like they were end 18th century, still with a flat escapement wheel.
    this has nothing to do with Vacheron, that's my opion.
    It is just a magnificant masterpiece!!!

    regards,
    RJ van Melle.

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