Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

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    Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    Hi

    Does anyone know if this is real or fake?

    http://jwwatch.com/showpro_details.asp?id=266&cat=197

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    Re: Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    Reconditioned dial. JW Watch would not sell fakes (I am not affiliated with them, but have visited their actual store many times).
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    Re: Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    Is reconditioned dial a no-no for vintage collectors?

    Does reconditioned mean that the original dial is cleaned? or the original dial is replaced with a new one?

    Shouldn't this be disclosed by the seller?

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    Re: Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    Not cleaned, it is repainted or replaced. When a 50 year old dial looks this good you must assume it is reconditioned. If in doubt, ask the seller. Many vintage collectors prefer original dial, others don't mind reconditioned.
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    Re: Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    I personally would never ever buy a vintage Rolex with a reconditioned dial.
    unless it is a NOS dial.

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    RJ van Melle.

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    Re: Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    Quote Originally Posted by rmelle View Post
    I personally would never ever buy a vintage Rolex with a reconditioned dial.
    unless it is a NOS dial.

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    Why not?

    Reconditioned dials are just the watch equivalent of a classic car paint job.

    If you bought a classic Porsche would you want the original paint job complete with rust spots?

    I would much rather wear a watch with a nice clean (so long as it's a good job) reconditioned dial over a tatty stained orginal one.

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    Re: Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    Well this is a hard one:
    My mother owns and drives a GB standard 10 '34.
    this car in UNRESTORED!
    @ EEB: way before British Leyland was "invented".............
    original paint, everything, very cool car!
    Is actually more valuable then a restored one!
    With watches I feel a bit the same.
    But I am a weirdo: as a restorer: the more original the better.
    the more restored not better.
    As said on west Dean in GB:
    A restauration should not add value to the piece (whatever it is) restored.
    Hmm I like them Britts......
    really original vintage watches gets more and more seldom.
    If you want shiny and new: buy new, or a young vintage....
    My advise alway to any client of mine:
    BE CAREFULL IN RESTORATIONS!
    something original gets quickly destroyed, and never ever to be returned to original state.
    in principle:
    A restauration should be reverseable.
    But ok, I am trained by one of the more famous restorers of NL
    Now my clients get the benefit for that one.
    Hope you understand my point.

    regards,
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    Re: Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    To a point, the closer to original a car is, the more valuable it is. Completely unrestored but entirely original with matching serial numbers will almost always go for more money than 'restored to like new' with non-original parts. Of course, in any specific auction on any specific day, almost anything can happen... kinda the way I win at cards
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    OK, But to back to the watch:
    I feel the same about it:
    KEEP IT ORIGINAL!
    sorry, for the "shouting out loud"
    I once did a dial for quite a simple Vintage Longines.
    but: bought a plain dial, made it fit, had it printed by a compagny here in NL and gave the original dial back to the client.
    client heavily surpriced but accepted it.
    now what happened:
    client came back after a few months, the old dial had been laying on his desk glancing at him.
    he asked me to replace the original patined dial, and was very very thankfull that I took the effort in saving the original dial.
    In my point of view: that is restoring!
    always posibility in turning back.
    ok, sometimes it is very very dificult if NOT possible.
    but that is another situation.

    regards,
    RJ van melle.

    PS: EEEB you should google Standard 10 1934, for you American it really is a small car but very nice, not a big monster like the A-Ford.

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    Re: Rolex Oyster Royal 6444 - Real or Fake?

    I completely agree on the originality issue. When I first started to get interested in vintage watches some years back the first watch I bought had a reconditioned dial. It is the only watch I regret buying, although it looks very good I can't get over the fact that the dial is not original.

    I see the OP's linked Rolex sold the very same day. There are plenty of people who does not mind reconditioned items. But a completely original watch will always be of higher value.
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