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    Roskell PW - Info sought

    Hello All -
    I hope that everyone is having a great day. I was wondering if anyone was familiar with this PW maker, from Liverpool: Roger Roskell. The case is a hunter style in 18k. I have had this one in my collection for some time, but have not gotten very far on the research. It obviously needs some serious TLC. Do you'll do valuations around too? Anyone? Thank you!!!








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    Re: Roskell PW - Info sought

    Marrick will be along... he knows everything about these kinds of watches (well, he can figure out almost everything )
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    Re: Roskell PW - Info sought

    It's hard to tell exactly without a better close-up of the escapement, but it looks like a cylinder escapement, which indicates to me that the watch may have been cased in Liverpool with a Swiss movement. The watch does look very Swiss to me.

    Any chance of a sharp close-up of the escapement and the hallmarks on the inside of the back cover?

    Robert and John Roskell were watchmakers in Liverpool early in the 19th century according to my copy of Britten, but the current edition of Loomes (which I don't have) would be a better reference.

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    Re: Roskell PW - Info sought

    Found another reference to the firm of Robert Roskell, Liverpool. They were active from about 1800 until 1900 with a production of approximately 1,000 watches per year.

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    Re: Roskell PW - Info sought

    I'd like to see the Hallmarks as well.

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    Re: Roskell PW - Info sought

    Quote Originally Posted by Eeeb View Post
    Marrick will be along... he knows everything about these kinds of watches (well, he can figure out almost everything )
    I know absolutely nothing about pocket watches! I sometimes have nothing better to do than sit here and google - that's all.

    Anyway -

    A bit about him here

    http://www.fortunecity.es/sopa/lucie...ertroskell.htm

    Some example pieces at the National Maritime Museum:

    http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/sea...l&SortBy=maker

    But there's most information here:

    http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/coll...se/?irn=259035


    Robert and William Roskell worked from their shop at 21 to 23 Church street Liverpool from 1805 to 1873 although Robert worked under his own name from 31 Church Street in 1839. The Liverpool Directory records the company as being R & J Roskell from 1796-1851 and in 1848 became Roskell and Son of 21 Church Street.

    He is mentioned in this book:

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=c...cCDAg#PPA73,M1

    as producing as many as 30,000 watches a year which were shipped to the Americas.

    Look here:

    http://klokwurx.co.uk/VictorianNotables.pdf

    Under Storr and Mortimer for how he became a partner in a London firm which was eventually taken over by J W Benson.

    Another appeared in here a while ago:

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/showthr...hlight=Roskell

    There is a 10 page article about him and his chronometers. but it doesn't appear to be accessible through the web:

    http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...3Doff%26sa%3DN

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    Please don't PM me to ask for a valuation - I won't attempt one.

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    Re: Roskell PW - Info sought

    It is a cylinder escapement. Notice the small cock under the balance wheel? Only in a cylinder does it go so close to the balance staff (since the cylinder operates directly on the escape wheel). Also, the cylinder escape wheel is faintly visible.

    And I agree with RON in PA, the movement appears 'extreemly' swiss.

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    Re: Roskell PW - Info sought

    Thank you for the info everyone! Would anyone be willing to PM or EM me with a (very) rough estimate of value? I know that it is hard to do evals via pics, but I would just like to get an idea... Thank you!!!

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    Re: Roskell PW - Info sought

    Value is not something we get into on this forum for reasons outlined in our sticky notes.

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    Re: Roskell PW - Info sought

    Gotcha... So, you mean that I have to get off my lazy duff and drive somewhere?

    Also, I will post some clearer pics as well. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald View Post
    Value is not something we get into on this forum for reasons outlined in our sticky notes.
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