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    Sandoz NOS

    Hi all,

    I just got my my hand on this NOS Sandoz watch.

    This is still 70's swiss made Sandoz. Anybody knows more about it? Movement is not signed, but it seems this this still Swiss made original.

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    Re: Sandoz NOS

    Moved to Vintage.
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    Re: Sandoz NOS

    Movement is by Jeambrun or (once it was amalgamated into that conglomerate) France Ebauches (FE):

    bidfun-db Jeambrun_PS31: Jeambrun PS31

    Das Metatechnische Kabinett - FE 233-66

    The exact shape of the geartrain bridge suggests the latter. There should be an appropriate mark under the balance.

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    Re: Sandoz NOS

    And yet the dial says 'Swiss made'.
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    Re: Sandoz NOS

    It's a mish mash company of Swiss and Asian. It may well be NOS movements made their way into new encasements...

    That doesn't stop this from being a beautiful piece...
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Sandoz NOS

    my watch dealer tells me many of these franken sandoz watches are coming out of thailand in recent months

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    I don't see why this shouldn't be a genuine NOS Sandoz from the 70'ies. "Swiss Made" only became a legally protected thing in 1971, and even then it allowed for parts of a watch to be manufactured outside of Switzerland. For the movement, e.g. only 50% of the material costs needed to be swiss, but assembly costs didn't matter, for all I know.
    I just can't imagine someone faking or frankenizing a 70'ies Sandoz.

    Look at this Nivada (it might be pre-70'ies, but it is definetely not a Franken):




    It says "Swiss Made" too, but has the same movement.
    Last edited by o.v.e; September 29th, 2010 at 06:47.

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    Re: Sandoz NOS

    Quote Originally Posted by o.v.e View Post
    I don't see why this shouldn't be a genuine NOS Sandoz from the 70'ies. "Swiss Made" only became a legally protected thing in 1971, and even then it allowed for parts of a watch to be manufactured outside of Switzerland. For the movement, e.g. only 50% of the material costs needed to be swiss, but assembly costs didn't matter, for all I know.
    I just can't imagine someone faking or frankenizing a 70'ies Sandoz.
    It happens.

    These off brand Swiss NOS watches often sell for several hundred dollars... far less than the cost of production.

    I have noticed that it is not normally done under the name of an active Swiss company. Probably because civil action is the main deterrent to this activity.

    Several years ago I found one where the maker never changed the serial number. Indeed, I even found the same number used on an entirely different "vintage NOS" watch. What an amazing coincidence
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Be careful of thinking that an off brand will not be faked. Some watches were regional marketing heavyweights. I have acquired a few Technos watches they would be considered off brand in the US but were very popular in Asia (particularly Japan) and South America (particularly Brazil). Sandoz, Favre Leuba, and West End are brands that come to mind as regional brands in Asia.

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    Well thanks, it is never too late to learn something new.
    Indeed the watch does look quirky... but not cheap!

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