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    "Shipmate" Watch - Rolex or Abercrombie??

    Hey guys. I recently acquired this great watch at the flea market, and was hoping to learn more about it. I searched Shipmate and only found either Rolex or Abercrombie & Fitch watches. I don't have the correct tools to open the back at the moment, but was wondering if anyone has seen one like it? I'm guessing it's an Abercrombie, but I'm really hoping for a rare unmarked rolex! It's actually working beautifully, just needs to be cleaned up. The hands look pretty nice, and I'm guessing this is early 1940's era. Can anyone help me out? Thank you sooo much! -Eric






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    Re: "Shipmate" Watch - Rolex or Abercrombie??

    Mikrolisk results for Shipmate:
    Mikrolisk - The horological trade mark index
    Only two of them here- Abercrombie and Fitch, and a Nautical Clock Co. from Norfolk, Virginia (which, on the contrary to its name, was also dealing with watches, as the Mikrolisk description informs).
    Rolex watches were retailed by A&F, some models- like one called "Commando" were available at A&F stores only.
    Without having a look at the movement, the theoretical part can go on and on.
    This caseback type needs a special wrench, so if you don't have one, simply ask a watchmaker- he should open up the watch for free.
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    The case looks very similar to a little Gallet watch that I used to have. If the back isn't too tight you may be able to use sticky tape in a ball or a ball of tack to grip and turn the back.
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    Re: "Shipmate" Watch - Rolex or Abercrombie??

    Not a Rolex Oyster case, it looks like a Taubert (originally Borgel) case to me.
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    Re: "Shipmate" Watch - Rolex or Abercrombie??

    It is indeed a Taubert case so rather unlikely I suspect to contain a Rolex. I have quite a few of these and they contain a very broad range of movements so the only way to know is to open it.


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    Re: "Shipmate" Watch - Rolex or Abercrombie??

    Awesome, thank you guys for the help. I'm going to try to get it opened as soon as possible. Hope its decent, I would have no clue on the value.

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    Re: "Shipmate" Watch - Rolex or Abercrombie??

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbee View Post
    Not a Rolex Oyster case, it looks like a Taubert (originally Borgel) case to me.
    Technically these were never Borgel though eBay sellers would love you to believe otherwise. The Tauberts were accomplished case makers and this is really all their own work. Of course they did buy the Borgel patents and make them for a long time so it's fair to say these cases are the next development but the Tauberts went through quite a few prototypes before coming up with this design which was extremely successful and elements of the design can still be found in modern cases.


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    Re: "Shipmate" Watch - Rolex or Abercrombie??

    Hi.
    I agree to Mirius, this is most likely a decacagonal case by Tauber

    They made this water proof case for a number of manufacturers like Patek Philippe, , Vacheron, Mido, Movado and West End, to name a few - did they make for Rolex, well Rolex certainly used the Taubert-Borgel 3 piece case - who knows.

    What is interesting is the model or serial number stamped between the lugs, now that is very Rolex.

    You need a special tool to open the case, but it will be most interesting to see the movement

    Thanks for posting an interesting piece
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    Re: "Shipmate" Watch - Rolex or Abercrombie??

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
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    What is interesting is the model or serial number stamped between the lugs, now that is very Rolex.

    You need a special tool to open the case, but it will be most interesting to see the movement
    All of mine have a number and I do agree it's a nice touch.

    I have opened them without a special tool but they can be on tight so I wouldn't risk scratching which would devalue the piece.


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    Re: "Shipmate" Watch - Rolex or Abercrombie??

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirius View Post
    All of mine have a number and I do agree it's a nice touch.

    I have opened them without a special tool but they can be on tight so I wouldn't risk scratching which would devalue the piece.
    Cool. I never knew that, interesting and thanks.

    And yes with experience you can open without proper tool.

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