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    Shocked but not suprised. Can you help?

    Hey Everyone,
    I took in my Grandfathers Elgin pocket watch in for service a couple of months back. (This in the one you see in my Avatar) Got a call last night from my watch guy saying there are many problems including:
    Cracked jewels, worn pivots, some but not bad rust damage and other problems which he cannot fix. He went on to say that he has a ton of Elgin parts but just not any for my watch.

    His suggestion was to find another/different movement, kind of like if it were an old car and the engine were shot you just swap out the engine.

    I have looked on the NAWCC site and elginwatches.org and found a couple of guys that work only on Elgin. I have not contacted them as of yet. I want to see if anyone here knows someone or has used someone that knows Elgins P.W.'s

    I would rather get this fixed than swapping out for another movement.

    Here's the info on her:
    Grade 184, class 7, 18 size, full plate, open face, nickel plates, 5th model, pendant set with 17 jewels. It's one of 10120 of this grade produced in 32 runs. The 1st serial number was 7223001 and the last was 8502000. It's circa 1897.

    It was running a little slow when I took it in but I never would of imagined this much would be wrong.
    I know it 116 years old, it's just feels like it died all of a sudden... know what it mean?

    Anyway, if any of you know a watch guy that could not only take a look but knows that he has parts for this particular watch could you let me know?
    I would very much appreciate it.
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    I know it's been at the watch guys for a couple of months but, I have NEVER seen it look so dull...EVER. Like I said: seems like she just died.

    Thanks again everyone!

    Regards,

    Chris

    edit: Feel free to PM me or post here.
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    Re: Shocked but not suprised. Can you help?

    I kind of think you know the answer to your own question already: the guy you went to is not someone you ought to be doing business with. Get in touch the the Elgin guys and see what they say. There are other resources (like here), where you'll be able to seek out other opinions.
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    Shocked but not suprised. Can you help?

    I would start with GeneJockey as he's the main 'Elgin Guy' isn't he ? I agree with Habitant - time for a second opinion...


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    Re: Shocked but not suprised. Can you help?

    +1 Agree with the above. I wouldn't swap the movement.
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    Re: Shocked but not suprised. Can you help?

    Quote Originally Posted by Habitant View Post
    I kind of think you know the answer to your own question already: the guy you went to is not someone you ought to be doing business with. Get in touch the the Elgin guys and see what they say. There are other resources (like here), where you'll be able to seek out other opinions.
    Yes, I knew all along I wanted to keep the original movement, I should of phrased the question as: Who knows Elgin's iside and out AND has the parts to fix it.
    That's the tough one...or maybe not.

    Many Thanks!
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    Re: Shocked but not suprised. Can you help?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sdasurrey View Post
    I would start with GeneJockey as he's the main 'Elgin Guy' isn't he ? I agree with Habitant - time for a second opinion...


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    I did message Genejockey last week as a mater of fact about the Elgin wrist watch I have, but have not heard back...perhaps he's out of pocket???
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    Re: Shocked but not suprised. Can you help?

    There is a guy whose blog I follow, seems to work exclusively on Elgins. You could get in touch with him. (PM sent)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aditya View Post
    There is a guy whose blog I follow, seems to work exclusively on Elgins. You could get in touch with him. (PM sent)

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    Aditya
    Thanks again Aditya and Thank you everyone for your input and help. With Aditya recomendation and I have a couple of other as well that I'm going to look into today.
    I will let you know what happens.

    Stay tuned!

    Thanks again!
    Chris
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    Re: Shocked but not suprised. Can you help?

    Quote Originally Posted by howards4th View Post
    Hey Everyone,
    I took in my Grandfathers Elgin pocket watch in for service a couple of months back. (This in the one you see in my Avatar) Got a call last night from my watch guy saying there are many problems including:
    Cracked jewels, worn pivots, some but not bad rust damage and other problems which he cannot fix. He went on to say that he has a ton of Elgin parts but just not any for my watch.

    His suggestion was to find another/different movement, kind of like if it were an old car and the engine were shot you just swap out the engine.

    I have looked on the NAWCC site and elginwatches.org and found a couple of guys that work only on Elgin. I have not contacted them as of yet. I want to see if anyone here knows someone or has used someone that knows Elgins P.W.'s

    I would rather get this fixed than swapping out for another movement.

    Here's the info on her:
    Grade 184, class 7, 18 size, full plate, open face, nickel plates, 5th model, pendant set with 17 jewels. It's one of 10120 of this grade produced in 32 runs. The 1st serial number was 7223001 and the last was 8502000. It's circa 1897.

    It was running a little slow when I took it in but I never would of imagined this much would be wrong.
    I know it 116 years old, it's just feels like it died all of a sudden... know what it mean?

    Anyway, if any of you know a watch guy that could not only take a look but knows that he has parts for this particular watch could you let me know?
    I would very much appreciate it.
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    I know it's been at the watch guys for a couple of months but, I have NEVER seen it look so dull...EVER. Like I said: seems like she just died.

    Thanks again everyone!

    Regards,

    Chris

    edit: Feel free to PM me or post here.
    I work on primarily 16s Elgins, but have several 18s watches with the same cock and balance arrangement as your grade 184, and from my limited experience, the balance staff jewels and/or staff seem prone to wear, allowing for sufficient balance wobble to drag against the plate (on mine, anyway). I have 3 that someday I'll scavenge parts to make one run reliably.

    In your case, consider looking around for a replacement Grade 184 movement on e-bay, as source for jewels and maybe balance/staff. I've been disassembling movements to clean and replace mainsprings, and have gotten a few junk model 291's to play with. With minimal skill, and maximum patience, it is no monumental task to remove and replace the balance jewels. I have minimal equipment, however a movement vise is essential; my screwdrivers began life as cheap dollar store screwdrivers that I reworked on a sharpening stone to fit all my watch repair screw sizes.

    When shopping for a movement, be sure to know that the balance staff is tight, and not wobbly before you buy, otherwise you may end up with just another set of chipped/worn jewels. Drinking Decaf, helps too.
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