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    Some Made for China Japanes watches

    Hi,

    I have found some vintage Japanese watches that were sold specifically for Chinese customers with a Chinese characters weekdays display. These include famous brands such as Seiko, Citizen, and Orient, but also some less known brands like FUJI. These could be items for a theme collection of vintage Japanese watches.

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    Re: Some Made for China Japanes watches

    Here's another one:


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    Axel

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    Quote Originally Posted by soviet View Post
    Hi,

    I have found some vintage Japanese watches that were sold specifically for Chinese customers with a Chinese characters weekdays display. These include famous brands such as Seiko, Citizen, and Orient, but also some less known brands like FUJI. These could be items for a theme collection of vintage Japanese watches.

    Cheers,

    Zhang
    AFAIK, the Japanese write the days of the week the same as the Chinese, so these may simply be domestic market models that naturally would also be sold in Taiwan and PRC.

    Fuji (or Fuji Time) is a slightly different category. It is a Hong Kong-owned brand that uses Japanese Miyota movements in Taiwanese cases. Their main market is outside Japan (although I'm sure their brand name would appeal to Japanese buyers). As Miyota usually feature dual-language (English/Japanese) day disks on their day-date calibres, Fuji could be sold in many countries. They seem to be selling well in Poland as the often appear on the Allegro auction site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chascomm View Post
    AFAIK, the Japanese write the days of the week the same as the Chinese, ....
    I'm not so sure about that. Please read this post and the answer:
    http://www.larrybiggs.net/scwf/index...&id=1153502437
    I'm pretty sure I saw both versions on Seiko date wheels.
    So even those "Chinese"-version haven't been only produced for China, I doubt, that they were produced for the domestic Japanese Market.

    Of course this is just a speculation from my side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axel66 View Post
    Here's another one:


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    Axel

    Is your watch also a Seiko 5? Or a higher grade watch? It looks very nice. I just noted that my black dial Seiko 5 has a unique case and bracelet. This one has a movement nr. of 2220-0300. Another black dial Seiko 5 has a movement nr 7009-076A that has an unusual Roman weekdays. Sunday is a red square.

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    Re: Some Made for China Japanes watches

    Quote Originally Posted by Axel66 View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. Please read this post and the answer:
    http://www.larrybiggs.net/scwf/index...&id=1153502437
    I'm pretty sure I saw both versions on Seiko date wheels.
    So even those "Chinese"-version haven't been only produced for China, I doubt, that they were produced for the domestic Japanese Market.

    Of course this is just a speculation from my side.

    Cheers,

    Axel
    The examples of Orient and Seiko watches that I have seen that claim to be Japan-only models have the days of the week written as Japanese/Chinese numbers i.e. the same as the ones shown by Zhang.

    I may be wrong. If anybody has a Japanese (non-Chinese) seiko day-date example to show, please do so.

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    Re: Some Made for China Japanes watches

    Quote Originally Posted by soviet View Post
    Is your watch also a Seiko 5? Or a higher grade watch? It looks very nice. I just noted that my black dial Seiko 5 has a unique case and bracelet. This one has a movement nr. of 2220-0300. Another black dial Seiko 5 has a movement nr 7009-076A that has an unusual Roman weekdays. Sunday is a red square.

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    Zhang
    It has a 5606 inside, what is known as the LM movement. I would call it a mid range movement as it has a hacking second, is hand windable and has a fine adjustment for the escapement. It has one known weakness, wich is a plastic part of the day-date quick-set mechanism made of plastic. Luckily on that one the quick-set is still working.
    The watch is from '69 and has the rarer 25j movement.

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    Re: Some Made for China Japanes watches

    I think I have one in my collection.
    But I cannot check now. So for now just a link to one from jayhawk's database:
    http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~jgauch/watch...15-7000-01.jpg

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    Axel

    Edit: I knew I also had one (Friday might be a good example):
    Last edited by Axel66; April 13th, 2007 at 18:45.

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    Re: Some Made for China Japanes watches

    Quote Originally Posted by Axel66 View Post
    I knew I also had one (Friday might be a good example
    Friday is an excellent example. That certainly looks different from the Friday on what I had though to by Japanese-market watches. So there seems to be many Japanese watches made for the Chinese-speaking market.

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    Re: Some Made for China Japanes watches

    FYI, Chinese and Japanese use different characters and names for the days of the week. In Chinese, the days are simply numbers -- Monday is "first day of the week", Tuesday is "second day of the week", etc. So the day wheel would show the Chinese characters for 1 through 6, plus a different character for Sunday (which happens the be the character meaning "sun"). In Japanese, the days of the week are represented by different aspects of nature -- moon, fire, water, wood, gold, etc. Very different indeed. (Coincidentally, or not, Sunday in Japanese is also represented by the character meaning "sun".)

    Cheers, Joe

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