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    SOTBC..... Family Shot!

    State Of The Borgel Collection.

    I thought it time to have a look at my sub collection of Borgel cased watches...

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    I confess I have not been paying enough attention.
    And a catch up for those who may have missed a few....

    Firstly, I have to thank David Boettcher for his help and advice over the past (+) year. It certainly has been a sharp learning curve... with still lots to learn! I must also thank him for supplying me with the straps you see below...

    This collection spun from my interest in ww2+ Military watches, which have a clean, basic and functional design.... having bought later military issue watches, it was only time before I started looking for earlier ww1 issued watches... which for those of you who know, is not that easy. But in this search, I was lucky enough to discover a interesting and robust screw case design watch....

    David has all the information on this, so Im not going to replicate it! If you want to read the history and development of Borgel cases... please follow the link - its very interesting!! François Borgel and Louisa Borgel - inventor and makers of the Borgel watch case

    So after some months... the collection currently stand at 15 screw case Borgels, made to Francois Borgels 1891 Patent CH4001...



    From left to right....

    1. An unknown make and date 30.25mm diameter.



    I have put this first, as it could well be my earliest Borgel... But it could also be my latest! It only carries Swiss silver marks. Meaning it was never imported... or (which is unlikely) was imported before the 1907 act, which properly implemented the laws regarding the importation of foreign silver. The below thread has more info on the watch... still no confirmed movement ID!


    More info:

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/oth...ay-693155.html




    2. my earliest confirmed watch and Borgel! 1909/10 FHF movement. 35mm diameter. London Import marks and G.S. Sponsor (George Stockwell).




    More info:

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/fee...-a-681850.html





    3. 1913/14 possibly FHF movement (not confirmed). 30mm diameter, London import marks and G.S. sponsor



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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/mov...me-840571.html





    4. 1914/15 Gallet. Birmingham import marks and probably sponsor as A.G.R. - Arthur George Rendell, 35mm diameter.




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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/its...es-871561.html





    5. 1914/15 IWC 64 Cal, London import marks and C.N. sponsor - Charles Nicolet. 34mm diameter and just returned from its service... will get a new 'service' thread in time...



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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/wha...ay-863833.html





    6. 1914/15 FHF movement and inscribed case. London, C.N. 32.5mm diameter. Again, since the thread below, I have done a lot of research into the owner and had it restored... I will probably do an appropriate thread for my 3000s post...




    More Info:

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/jus...ch-739745.html





    7. 1914/15 Gallet Demi Hunter... possibly my rarest Borgel... London, A.G.R., 35mm diamter




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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/191...et-817582.html





    8. 1915/16 Tavannes/Cyma. London, GS. 34.5mm diameter.




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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/cym...ed-663840.html





    9. 1915/16 Gallet (lower grade movement), London, A.G.R. 35mm diameter.



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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/bor...et-852895.html





    10. 1916/17 AS movement, London, G.S. 33mm diameter - was the one that started it all!!!




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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/wel...ad-694251.html






    11. 1917/18 Higher grade Tavannes/Cyma, Import marks for Glasgow, J.W. John Weir, 34.5mm diamter



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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/hig...el-850946.html






    12. 1917/18 Marvin, Glasgow, J.W. 35mm diameter



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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/my-...on-679543.html







    13. 1918/19 Gallet Pocket watch. London, A.G.R. 46.5mm diameter.








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    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/191...ty-843628.html





    14. 1919 IWC 64 Cal, London, C.N. 18k Solid Gold Case. 34mm diameter.

    Since my original thread (below), IWC have been great and provided the additonal information:

    Movement number 695909 and the case number 750701 everything is all right in the records; matching numbers. The watch was shipped to Stauffer in la Chaux-de-Fonds in November 1919.

    From discussions with IWC, it was nice to hear the watch was sold made and sold complete by IWC.



    More Info:

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/new...el-835985.html





    And finally....


    15. 1927 Longines 13.34 Cal, London, A.B. Arthur Baume. 35.5mm diameter.




    More Info:

    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/lon...-a-655980.html



    Well there we go.... a little insight into part of my collection!


    Marc
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    Re: SOTBC..... Family Shot!

    Thanks for sharing
    Tick Talk says, "A watch in the hand is worth two on the wrist"

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    Re: SOTBC..... Family Shot!

    Thanks Marc
    lots of very nice time pieces.

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    Re: SOTBC..... Family Shot!

    Fantastic, thank you


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    That is an exceptional collection to have built up in a relatively short time. And thanks for doing the SOTBC - I'd lost count. CheersName:  beer.gif
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    Re: SOTBC..... Family Shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tick Talk View Post
    Thanks for sharing
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    Thanks Marc
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    Fantastic, thank you
    No... Thank you (WUS). You have all had to put up with 'trench watch movement ID threads'.... which some of these Borgels have needed! Was useful to put them all in one place anyway!

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    Thanks Marrick... So had I...

    I suppose I have beem in the right place at the right time... just wish I started collecting these 10+ years ago... would have been cheaper.

    Marc
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    Re: SOTBC..... Family Shot!

    Thanks Marc for posting a group shot. Great collection. All differ which makes it very hard to say which one I like the best.
    Always enjoy reading about your passion. Your a lucky man to have a watchmaker who is able to work and find
    parts for these watches. Cheers.
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    Re: SOTBC..... Family Shot!

    Hi Marc,

    A truly lovely collection, excellently well described, thank you.

    Regards - David

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    Re: SOTBC..... Family Shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by pilotswatch View Post
    Great collection. All differ which makes it very hard to say which one I like the best.
    P.S 15-12-7-4 etc
    Quote Originally Posted by David.Boettcher View Post
    Hi Marc,

    A truly lovely collection, excellently well described, thank you.

    Regards - David
    Thank you Gentlemen.

    There are a still ones I am looking for.... Im not planning on having multiples of the same watch, but as you say Pilotswatch, each (so far) is slightly different. As for 'favourites', im not sure I have one favourite... more like a sub group of preferred (If I had to sell some of these, ones I would keep over the others) of watches. These would be: 2. the 1909 (due to its age). 4. Due to the inscription. 6. Due to the inscription, 7. Rare Demi Hunter, 12. Was a gift (and nice black dial), 13. Due to the inscription, 14. Amazing condition and the only Gold watch I own.

    For me, some of these watches, due to their inscription, are priceless... thats not to say thay are valuable, just irreplaceable.

    Looking at the whole collection (not doing a thread on that), I may need to review numbers.... its worrying how quickly the numbers multiply! Also, the 'repair/service' pile is at an unrealistic amount....

    Marc
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    Re: SOTBC..... Family Shot!

    Very cool...what a unique collection!
    Do you wear them much/regular?
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