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    Re: In Surprise Ruling, COMCO Halts Swatch Group Escapement Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by joeuk View Post
    It would have been broken many many years ago if it wasnt for the swatch group, most makers wouldn't have survived without the swatch group so give them some credit.
    The S.G. long outlived it's consolidation survival strategy. It worked. That's for sure. But when Oris decided it didn't want to be a cheap entry-level brand because Hayek said so, they bought themselves out of the consolidation before it became officially known as The Swatch Group. Now Oris has not only survived, but established itself as an entry-level luxury brand. (Instead of just entry-level ... selling mainly cheap quartz watches.) All without the Swatch Group. Oris pulled it off. Are we supposed to believe that those other brands cannot?

    Then again, if you're one of the warden's favorite dogs; not much sense in striking out on your own.
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    Re: In Surprise Ruling, COMCO Halts Swatch Group Escapement Cuts

    Some companies like IWC were using eta movements at least what the swatch group did with the supply part bit it then gave IWC a good kick up the bottom, so they have now started to make their own movements this can only be a good thing, at least the price they charged now reflects on the in house movements rather then over charging people for an ETA watch ( ETA are still good movements). Good on Oris for going alone, but this is why they should just let the swatch group stop supplying parts to others, surely its not a bad thing

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    Re: In Surprise Ruling, COMCO Halts Swatch Group Escapement Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by joeuk View Post
    Some companies like IWC were using eta movements at least what the swatch group did with the supply part bit it then gave IWC a good kick up the bottom, so they have now started to make their own movements this can only be a good thing, at least the price they charged now reflects on the in house movements rather then over charging people for an ETA watch ( ETA are still good movements). Good on Oris for going alone, but this is why they should just let the swatch group stop supplying parts to others, surely its not a bad thing
    I agree that the watch brands outside of the Swatch Group became way too dependent on the Swatch Group for supplying their movements for them. But, it's actually ETA supplying those movements. And ETA is part of the Swatch Group. If the monopoly was broken up, ETA would be independent and be able to decide for itself which brands would get their movements and which would not. (Instead of ETA's executives forced to just tow the Swatch Group company line.) This whole thing is a perfect example of how a decision that is best for the Swatch Group is far from ideal for an individual brand that's part of it.
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    Re: In Surprise Ruling, COMCO Halts Swatch Group Escapement Cuts

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    Re: In Surprise Ruling, COMCO Halts Swatch Group Escapement Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
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    I am not answering any more your post.
    Let readers decide

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    But those were the most relevant points to the issue!

    PLEASE do not confuse disagreement with personal attacks! It only causes problems for forum moderators who have to clean up the resultant mess when it gets out of hand.

    We don't have to agree but being disagreeable 1) makes my job harder and 2) suppresses the acquisition of greater knowledge... which is why most of us are here.

    But everyone needs to feel free to disagree. An environment without disagreement is unhealthy in the long run.

    On the original point... the Swiss are different. They have always felt their economy was too small to compete without being different. In the US trusts are prohibited. In Switzerland they are encouraged. But in both economies businesses are constrained as to what they can and can not do... just like people. It is a recognition we do not live in a perfect world where altruism assures fairness.

    I believe the COMCO decision was the result of those remaining Swatch competitors saying their efforts to build their own movements were going to be highly un-economic if Swatch no longer sold them escapement components. It would force them to outsource these to the Asians. That COMCO did not see in Switzerland's best interest.

    In the US we have the Justice Department's Anti-Trust Division. In Switzerland they have things like COMCO.
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    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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