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    Tiffany and Co. Pocket Watch

    I have a Tiffany pocket watch in 18k gold. It runs well and is in great condition. It has an open face, and a double cover on the back. It also has a stopwatch feature. The face and movement are both marked Tiffany and Co.. The case has British gold hallmarks that include a stylized "O" but the case itself is not marked Tiffany. Both the movement and the case are marked with serial number 6220. Can anyone tell me about this pocket watch? When was it made? Is it at all unusual for a Tiffany pocket watch? Who made the movement? Any info about this pocket watch would be appreciated? Thanks in advance.


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    Re: Tiffany and Co. Pocket Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by swer37 View Post
    I have a Tiffany pocket watch in 18k gold. It runs well and is in great condition. It has an open face, and a double cover on the back. It also has a stopwatch feature. The face and movement are both marked Tiffany and Co.. The case has British gold hallmarks that include a stylized "O" but the case itself is not marked Tiffany. Both the movement and the case are marked with serial number 6220. Can anyone tell me about this pocket watch? When was it made? Is it at all unusual for a Tiffany pocket watch? Who made the movement? Any info about this pocket watch would be appreciated? Thanks in advance.

    This is a very good watch indeed.

    The London hallmark dates the watch to 1929.

    It is of English 3/4 plate style with typical English transverse lever escapement with
    escape wheel and lever mounted on the same bridge.

    Does it have ratchet (pointy) or clubtooth escape wheel teeth?

    It has cap stones to escape wheel and lever pivots (highly jewelled)
    Typical English gold, fire gilt frosted plates, typical English style engraving too.

    It is very late for a high grade English watch and is very interesting with the patented
    chrono arrangement.

    Made by a high class watchmaker for Tiffany, possibly using a Swiss ebauche in the
    English style.
    lovely watch.

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    Bit of a conundrum this watch concerning the date, I'm now thinking it could be earlier
    1869 would match the date letter too, but stem wound and a proper chronograph? i.e this chronograph
    doesn't just stop the balance as in early English so called chronographs.
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    Re: Tiffany and Co. Pocket Watch

    The hallmarking is a bit confusing to me...Tiffany had their own watch facility, and tended to make their own cases in their New York facility, so I'm not sure why they'd be importing a UK case?

    This page suggests that they started making "stop watches" in 1868, and didn't open their swiss factory until 1874, so if the date IS 1869, this could potentially be a very very early example.
    History of Swiss Luxury Watches | Tiffany & Co.
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    Re: Tiffany and Co. Pocket Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    The hallmarking is a bit confusing to me...Tiffany had their own watch facility, and tended to make their own cases in their New York facility, so I'm not sure why they'd be importing a UK case?

    This page suggests that they started making "stop watches" in 1868, and didn't open their swiss factory until 1874, so if the date IS 1869, this could potentially be a very very early example.
    History of Swiss Luxury Watches | Tiffany & Co.
    In the case of this watch, they bought in the watch complete.
    Movement and case numbers match as in English watches.
    They have always been together.

    Made in England for Tiffany for clients who demanded a cut above.

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    Outstanding piece
    I think you will find this is the patent from 1893
    Raquette perfectionnée

    CH6220 (A) ― 1893-09-15

    Espacenet - Original document

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    Re: Tiffany and Co. Pocket Watch

    I don't think 6220 is the patent number, I think it's the watch number. That patent doesn't seem to describe the design of the balance cock here, and the date isn't close enough to either of the two hallmark options to make sense.
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    Re: Tiffany and Co. Pocket Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    I don't think 6220 is the patent number, I think it's the watch number. That patent doesn't seem to describe the design of the balance cock here, and the date isn't close enough to either of the two hallmark options to make sense.
    My feeling its a patent number.
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    Re: Tiffany and Co. Pocket Watch

    The number, 6220, appears on the movement as shown in the picture, and is also stamped on the inner rear cover. I could not get a good picture of the inner cover because of the reflection. Since it appears in both places, is it more likely a serial number rather than the patent number?

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    Re: Tiffany and Co. Pocket Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by swer37 View Post
    The number, 6220, appears on the movement as shown in the picture, and is also stamped on the inner rear cover. I could not get a good picture of the inner cover because of the reflection. Since it appears in both places, is it more likely a serial number rather than the patent number?
    Maybe, but I think we rarely see case serial number and movement serial number the same.
    thanks for pointing it out
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    Re: Tiffany and Co. Pocket Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Maybe, but I think we rarely see case serial number and movement serial number the same.
    thanks for pointing it out
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