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    Tradition A - vintage diver

    Just got this Tradition brand vintage diver watch. Looks to be in a great condition considering its age... age...that brings me to my question: has anyone seen or handled this kind of watch? A Google search, only brings up Tradition dress style watches made by Sears & Roebuck Co. that according to their owners, dates back to the `60s, early `70s.
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    The lume may still look good, but t hey don`t last very long. The movement its unmarked so I don`t know exactly who made it. Some info suggests that this brand has used SWISS movements. The only little marking I was able to capture, is a little symbol that`s partially covered by the balance wheel. Also, this movement doesn`t appear to have a quick day/date change.
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    Re: Tradition A - vintage diver

    Nice "Scuba Dude" case back

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    Re: Tradition A - vintage diver

    I have seen a couple Electronic Tradition watches in the diver's style. Here's one for sale on ebay-- if you look at the seller's pictures you can see the movement. I also remember somebody showing me a Tradition diver's chronograph containing an actual v77 movement, which I believe is not all THAT hard to find online. They did use swiss movements (not sure to what extent or percentage of assembled watches) but the lack of quick-set seems fairly common to me considering the era of the watch.

    Vintage Tradition Electronic Divers Mens Wrist Watch Date SS Dynotron ESA 9154 | eBay
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    Re: Tradition A - vintage diver

    The movement is actually not Swiss, it is French (by FE, or France Ebauches). A rotor variant of this one or a closely related calibre:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: FE 4612A
    Under the rotor, you should find a stamp consisting of a crude map of France with "FE" inside. The watch is from the 1970s, a typical diver of that time.

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    Thanks for the info. I remember seeing a chrono model but most models I`ve seen are dress watches with or without a date. This is actually the only model I`ve seen with day/date. I know there are some asian movements without the quick day/date set but this watch is actually the 1st one in my hands were I have to turn the hands back and forth past midnight to change the day/date.

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    Re: Tradition A - vintage diver

    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmut Richter View Post
    The movement is actually not Swiss, it is French (by FE, or France Ebauches). A rotor variant of this one or a closely related calibre:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: FE 4612A
    Under the rotor, you should find a stamp consisting of a crude map of France with "FE" inside. The watch is from the 1970s, a typical diver of that time.

    Hartmut Richter

    OK...thanks. That makes sense... because the little "icon" that I mentioned about that`s partially covered by the balance wheel, seems to look like France. I do remember seeing some characters inside of it but they are so small and covered by the balance wheel, I could`t even tell if they were numbers or letters. OK...so its a french movement. The link in your post shows a movement that looks to be the one but according to the info on the website, that movement is automatic with a quick date change. Mine is automatic and handwind but no quick change for day/date.
    Do you know anything about this type of 17 jewels french movement? Were they good? Were they cheap? Were they commonly used in other watches? Are they still around?

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    That makes sense since it also explains the rotor shape! It's the predecessor, Cal. 3612 with day-date and no date quick setting:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: FE 3612

    France Ebauches was a conglomerate made up of most or all of the french movement makers (Parennin, Jeambrun, Lorsa, Cupillard...) that got into trouble during the quartz crisis. They even bought up GUB in the early 1990s (though not to save GUB but rather to squeeze whatever they could get out of them in the way of patents and technology and then close them down). GUB survived that experience and is now Glashütte Original whereas FE seems to be no more - I can't find any modern watches with their movements.....

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    Re: Tradition A - vintage diver

    Nice Diver!
    Love my Tradition from the 50's
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    Just came back from a service a few weeks ago
    Nice Swiss movement, runs great!
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    Don't mean to hi-jack your thread, Just wanted to say hey and Nice watch!

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    Re: Tradition A - vintage diver

    ...but that one really does have a Swiss movement (Adolf Schild Cal. AS 1538 or AS 1539 series - they differ only in size):

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: AS 1539

    The exact calibre designation is under ther balance - I can't quite make it out.

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    Re: Tradition A - vintage diver

    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmut Richter View Post
    ...but that one really does have a Swiss movement (Adolf Schild Cal. AS 1538 or AS 1539 series - they differ only in size):

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: AS 1539

    The exact calibre designation is under ther balance - I can't quite make it out.

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    Yes, 1539
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