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    Re: The Truth Behind The Myth - The Final Story Read more: http://wristwatchforums.proboards.com/th

    Quote Originally Posted by jonsvjon View Post
    Don't suppose anyone knows what the mark of br+der located on my watch movement means ???
    I think it's Brevet Depose
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    Re: The Truth Behind The Myth - The Final Story Read more: http://wristwatchforums.proboards.com/th

    Ps
    i am sure it does mention back setting case

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    If you mean french patent I think you may have missed read???
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    Yes I fully agree that the french patent was different from the other orginals French does mention the rear setting obviously for blanc pain and all of the originals were in johns and Harry's name

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsvjon View Post
    If you mean french patent I think you may have missed read???
    Maybe, but I am sure it mentions back setting, will check when I get time.
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    Re: The Truth Behind The Myth - The Final Story Read more: http://wristwatchforums.proboards.com/th

    Honestly, I wouldn't go too crazy trying to understand the logic behind the patent applications and identification marks. It's not unusual for watches to be marked for patents that refer to technology that isn't actually used on the watch in question. I have a number of early Omega's, for example, that are marked with a patent number relating to a specific positive-set keyless works implementation, but the watches in question are all negative set. We assume the plate was marked with the patent during manufacturing but was then redirected to be finished with a negative set mechanism. Something like that may have happened here; the plates were marked with the back-set patent but were subsequently finished with the front set mechanism. It doesn't make much of a difference from the perspective of the patent and the protection it afforded, because the main purpose of such an in-country patent was to allow the patent holder to bar the sale of competing products that used similar technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    Honestly, I wouldn't go too crazy trying to understand the logic behind the patent applications and identification marks. It's not unusual for watches to be marked for patents that refer to technology that isn't actually used on the watch in question. I have a number of early Omega's, for example, that are marked with a patent number relating to a specific positive-set keyless works implementation, but the watches in question are all negative set. We assume the plate was marked with the patent during manufacturing but was then redirected to be finished with a negative set mechanism. Something like that may have happened here; the plates were marked with the back-set patent but were subsequently finished with the front set mechanism. It doesn't make much of a difference from the perspective of the patent and the protection it afforded, because the main purpose of such an in-country patent was to allow the patent holder to bar the sale of competing products that used similar technology.
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    Re: The Truth Behind The Myth - The Final Story Read more: http://wristwatchforums.proboards.com/th

    another harwood for you Adam!

    SOLIX HARWOOD

    At first i bypassed this as i thought it was a dodgy redial
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    but then i found two others..... hmmm interesting !
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    has anyone seen one before!
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    All three look dodgy to me.
    Franken pieces
    The bottom two do not even have the indicator on the dial to realize if watch is in hand setting or winding mode?

    Nope, I doubt these were as John Harwood designed them or Fortis shipped them.
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    Re: The Truth Behind The Myth - The Final Story Read more: http://wristwatchforums.proboards.com/th

    middle one does have indicator just had to make out tho 3rd doesnt seem to

    found some more
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    i argee they all look dodgy however they seem to be showing up a lot more in Sweden ??

    never know with harwoods!
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    I hope this isn't an inappropriate message but it seemed relevant. I have a Frey & Co pendulum which I have little use for short of finding an otherwise complete watch missing one - if anyone wants to get in contact please send me a PM. I'd like to think that there is some use for this

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