Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

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    Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

    I just wanted to share two of my Elgin B.W. Raymond watches, I have posted another one earlier.

    The first one is a 16s 19j grade 372 adjusted to 5 positions from 1912. This one is in a glass display back case. Take note of the gold coloured hairspring, this was offered by Elgin as a corrosion resistant feature and is found on a small fraction of higher grade Elgins from that era. The movement also has raised gold jewel settings, gold train and gold balance screws.






    The second one is an earlier B.W. Raymond from 1875, a 18s grade 70 signed Adjusted and with micro regulator. Original double sunk dial.





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    Re: Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

    You have some really beautiful watches Erik.
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    Re: Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

    Isn't that style known as a 'salesman's case', because it shows off the watch-movement without exposing it to dust? Also, did a gold/gold-plated/filled hairspring actually prevent rusting?
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    Re: Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

    Yes a commonly used term is salesman case for glass display back cases. The intention of the gold plated hairspring was corrosion resistance, it was mentioned in some period pricelists. This one has not rusted in 98 years.
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    Re: Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

    i like the first one! nice bold hour markers
    and the movement is such a beauty

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    Erik
    Nice pair of Elgin's I guess you will be on the hunt for a case for the early KW one.Are you going to recase the E.Howard series III you posted some time back that mite be a hard one for a case it can be done you just have to resize the case a little for it to fit been meaning to ask you what your plans were on that Howard.

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    Re: Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

    Quote Originally Posted by river rat View Post
    Erik
    Nice pair of Elgin's I guess you will be on the hunt for a case for the early KW one.Are you going to recase the E.Howard series III you posted some time back that mite be a hard one for a case it can be done you just have to resize the case a little for it to fit been meaning to ask you what your plans were on that Howard.
    No Mike, I am not going to case the E. Howard, I will let the movement be as it is.
    For the Elgin I have some cases that would fit, but I intend to keep it in a glass display case.
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    Re: Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

    Two great looking watches. I really like the movement in the second.
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    Re: Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

    I truly love the early Elgin's with their extensive use of blueing and the detailed engraving on the balance cock.

    The jeweling on the mainspring of the first one is interesting; doesn't seem all that practical or useful, but certainly interesting.
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    Re: Two Elgin B.W. Raymond

    Lovely watches indeed and although the earlier movement
    has lost its case to the scrapman the watch is preserved.

    The movement is the watch and as far as the watchmaker
    was concerned the case is only to protect his work.....
    even if the case is now a glass display cabinet.

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