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    Ukrainian Pocket Watch conversions: was - Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    This is a breguet pocket watch that has been converted to a wrist watch That I purchased. The case is new so the original serial is not on it. I am trying to identify a model or something before I take it to Breguet to have them open the watch.Thank You
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    Re: Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    We'd need to see the movement to offer any clear advice, but my money is on the dial being a much more recent creation then the movement. Is the left subdial a hour register or a subsecond dial?
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    Re: Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    Why would Breguet help you? This is just another Ukrainian Watch Munging Company creation from what you describe.

    It is not a Breguet pocket watch. It is not vintage. It is the carcass of an elephant slaughtered for its ivory and meat... you bought the meat.

    However, the species of elephant slaughtered for this watch may not be a Breguet. These Ukrainian Mung Jobs often have doctored movements with recently applied stampings to make them into what seems desirable. The buyers almost never complain. And if they do, all eBay makes them do is refund their money.

    Sorry to disappoint but I can not join in the normal joy of folks showing their new watch. This piece makes me sad.

    (Ever notice what these sell for after the Ukrainian's collect their money and the owner later tries to sell it? To put it mildly the depreciation is substantial. They are not collectable. They are novelty watches created from pieces that were once collectable.)

    Dirty business. Sorry you got caught up in it.
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    Re: Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    You 'probably' have (movement pictures will confirm) what was once a fantastic BREGUET monopusher 30 minute counter chronograph pocket watch.

    The SS case and dial are now modern 'abortions'

    Here in a 'vintage' forum this type of action is deplorable.

    I doubt Breguet will touch the watch now.

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    Re: Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    Quote Originally Posted by Eeeb View Post
    (Ever notice what these sell for after the Ukrainian's collect their money and the owner later tries to sell it? To put it mildly the depreciation is substantial. They are not collectable. They are novelty watches created from pieces that were once collectable.)
    I've noticed that on a few occasions.
    I've saw quite a few Eastern European 'Munge' jobs, offered on UK Ebay from disappointed buyers with concise, truthful and easily understood descriptions
    as compared to the original Ukranian elaborate, history of the brand, all bells and whistles this is a very important watch, type descriptions.
    They seem to achieve about a fifth to a tenth of the price the seller originaly paid.

    Most Eastern European conversions tend to be 'honest' though, somewhere in the small print of the epic descriptions,
    it will be mentioned that the watch is a pocket watch conversion and the 'original dial' has been 'expertly restored'
    or some such hyperbole.
    If they say the watch is an Omega, then it usually is, downright fakes tend to be South American in origin.
    The Argentinians have created more 'Breitlings' than Breitling!

    If this watch had anything to do with Breguet I'd be amazed.
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    Re: Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    It is a subsecond dial. I will take a picture of the movement

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    Re: Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    Thank You Adam. I do agree that breguet will most likely not touch it. I would like to at least narrow it down to what model watch it is.

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    Re: Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    The good thing is that the individual offers a 14 day refund. I am curious to learn more about these "Munge" jobs

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    Re: Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    It was more of a learning about what I purchased and learning from the experience of many in this forum. Thank u for the info.

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    Re: Please identify this Breguet Pocket Watch

    I suspected as much. The original pocket watch was likely an "open face" or "lepine" model with the standard subsecond at 6 and register at 12; if you do a google image search for "pocket watch chronograph" you'll find any number of pictures like.

    The point being that clearly the dial was "created" when the seller had the watch converted to wristwatch. That much was really already obvious by the rather poor job they did. And since the dial is clearly an aftermarket fabrication, the "Breguet" on the dial becomes somewhat worthless; they could have written "Patek" or "Lecoutre" or "Jon's Pocketwatch Conversion Emporium" if they wanted.

    Fact is, if it really WAS a Breguet, or really any legitimate, recognizable name, the watch would have been worth more in its original case. That they instead choose to convert it to a wristwatch tells us that it was likely some generic no-name movement.

    Which isn't to say it's a bad watch. As conversions go, this one is actually rather tasteful (at least, compared to some of the ones we've seen). If we generously assume that the movement was "rescued" after it's gold case was sold for scrap, then it's a far better fate then it could have had. But it's probably priced based on the false provenance, and thus far above what's it's actually worth. That's the real pity.
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