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    Universal Watch Chronograph double scale - valjoux 22 gh - mistery

    Hello guys
    This is my first post, I am a passionate guy watch and recently I got close to vintage watches.


    I write because I'm doing research on a clock with some mystery.


    The clock in question is a "Universal Watch Chronograph Telemetre" double scale for the Royal Navy.


    Features:
    - One button for two hours.
    - Chromed case (without reference)
    - Dial Ceramic
    - 37 mm diameter
    - Movement Valjoux 22 GH


    I do not know if it is a fake, but I think not.
    I await news
    thanks to those who intervene !

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    Re: Universal Watch Chronograph double scale - valjoux 22 gh - mistery

    The dial looks like the real thing to me, but I don't know enough about the brand to make a comment on the movement.
    Having said that, it all seems genuine to me.
    The dial has seen better days, but I could certainly live with it!

    Here is what mikrolisk has on the Universal Watch.

    Mikrolisk - The horological trade mark index

    Nothing to do with Universal Geneve though, I should think.
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    Re: Universal Watch Chronograph double scale - valjoux 22 gh - mistery

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbee View Post
    The dial looks like the real thing to me, but I don't know enough about the brand to make a comment on the movement.
    Having said that, it all seems genuine to me.
    The dial has seen better days, but I could certainly live with it!

    Here is what mikrolisk has on the Universal Watch.

    Mikrolisk - The horological trade mark index

    Nothing to do with Universal Geneve though, I should think.
    Thanks for your help.
    I'm doing much research to find news related to the clock.
    I would like to get it back to life, it was in a box in a flea market along with screwdrivers and nails.


    Should restore it ?

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    Restore? That's a tricky question around these parts. I think that the majority opinion here would be to suggest that you take it to a good independent watchmaker and get it overhauled. Leave the dial alone. Leave the case alone. Depending on where you are in the world, you'll find that the price to do the job will be a little more than a simple, uncomplicated watch. Here in the UK, a chronograph service would be around £100-150, depending on what's happening inside. But as it's a Valjoux movement, I'd warrant that it's 'worth' the expenditure. Don't restore it, but do service it.
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    Re: Universal Watch Chronograph double scale - valjoux 22 gh - mistery

    Quote Originally Posted by Habitant View Post
    Restore? That's a tricky question around these parts. I think that the majority opinion here would be to suggest that you take it to a good independent watchmaker and get it overhauled. Leave the dial alone. Leave the case alone. Depending on where you are in the world, you'll find that the price to do the job will be a little more than a simple, uncomplicated watch. Here in the UK, a chronograph service would be around £100-150, depending on what's happening inside. But as it's a Valjoux movement, I'd warrant that it's 'worth' the expenditure. Don't restore it, but do service it.
    I like the dial with the wrinkles of time. the case is very damaged, the movement is operated (requires revision service).
    So I recommend that you do so only revision service?! or keep it as a spare.


    thanks for helping me !

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    Yes, revision service. Getting the case re-plated is possible, but an unnecessary expense (around GBP£50 at a specialist company, not easy to find), in my own opinion. I quite like the look of the watch in general, it gives a good sense of history, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habitant View Post
    Yes, revision service. Getting the case re-plated is possible, but an unnecessary expense (around GBP£50 at a specialist company, not easy to find), in my own opinion. I quite like the look of the watch in general, it gives a good sense of history, no?

    Very nice the vintage look, you see the history of the clock.
    Most likely I will make a revision service, replace the plexy-glass and a new strap.


    Still I could not find a similar pattern in the network.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pikers90 View Post
    Hello guys
    This is my first post, I am a passionate guy watch and recently I got close to vintage watches.


    I write because I'm doing research on a clock with some mystery

    The clock in question is a "Universal Watch Chronograph Telemetre" double scale for the Royal Navy.


    Features:
    - One button for two hours.
    - Chromed case (without reference)
    - Dial Ceramic
    - 37 mm diameter
    - Movement Valjoux 22 GH


    I do not know if it is a fake, but I think not.
    I await news
    thanks to those who intervene !

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    The "Universal Watch" was founded in 1894 and in 1919 co-founder Ulysse Perret would relocate to Geneve and it became "Universal Geneve SA". According to some info, the brand claims to be the first in creating the first ever stop watch - or chronographic wristwatch in 1917. Their chronograph watches became very popular throughout Europe. Later, in 1954, the Polerouter, designed by Gerald Genta, became their most know watch. They also held the record for the thinnest automatic watch movements until 1978, that measured just over 2mm. Just like most Swiss watch manufacturers, they struggled through the 70s and 80s quartz watch era. Eventually, at the end of the 80s they were bought out by Stelux Holdings International, Ltd.
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    Re: Universal Watch Chronograph double scale - valjoux 22 gh - mistery

    Quote Originally Posted by LesDrive View Post
    The "Universal Watch" was founded in 1894 and in 1919 co-founder Ulysse Perret would relocate to Geneve and it became "Universal Geneve SA". According to some info, the brand claims to be the first in creating the first ever stop watch - or chronographic wristwatch in 1917. Their chronograph watches became very popular throughout Europe. Later, in 1954, the Polerouter, designed by Gerald Genta, became their most know watch. They also held the record for the thinnest automatic watch movements until 1978, that measured just over 2mm. Just like most Swiss watch manufacturers, they struggled through the 70s and 80s quartz watch era. Eventually, at the end of the 80s they were bought out by Stelux Holdings International, Ltd.
    thanks for the many information.
    I'm looking on the net and on the forums another clock similar to mine (movement with dial) ...

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    Fantastic piece.
    Enamel dial, you can not fake that, its original.
    Has everything on it Telemeter scale in red and a Tachymeter snail scale in both red and blue, I guess one color is land miles/hour while the other color is nautical miles/hour.
    But you have a three color dial.
    Also a mono-pusher.
    Very exciting naval piece with a naval rope logo at the botom.
    Very nice indeed
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