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    Unknow older watchers

    Hi
    I haven't been around here before, but I'm sure that you guys here are as nice as the one in the Omega forum..

    I could really need your help to find information on two watches I have, but don't know anything about..

    On the caseback of the "Unknown gold watch" there is stamped:
    Lower part: 470143 613
    upper part:
    113
    14k 0,585
    under there I can barely see that there have been two marks, maybe manufacturer or similar..

    You can find images of it here (the watches that are called unknown)

    If you know or think you know or even just have seen something similar please let me know either by mail or posting here in this thread..

    Thanks
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    Last edited by rousp; October 19th, 2008 at 00:20. Reason: faulty link
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    Re: Unknow older watchers

    The link does not work... for me at least.

    But I did find them on your website...

    I can not ID either of them. The octagonal watch looks to be from the 20's or early 30's. I would guess the ladies watch was just a little more recent, but not much. Since the movements are not marked, they are probably Swiss. I know of no American makers in this era who did not mark their movements.

    Others will probably know more!
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    Re: Unknow older watchers

    Link is fixed!

    I would think that both watches are ladies, they are both tiny... But I don't know vintage watches..!
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    Re: Unknow older watchers

    I don't think I can ID them exactly either. The octagonal one I would place in the 1920s and the lady's elliptical in the 1930s. They are definitely European designs - probably Swiss as Eeeb has already pointed out.

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    Timew Electric backwind

    I have one of those. The year made is the last two digits of the text at the bottom edge of the dial.

    From what I've read the first Timex Electrics were made by Durowe/Laco in Germany

    But I didn't record the movement info or take a photo the last time I had mine open for a battery change

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    Re: Unknow older watchers

    Due to the lack of photos available for the backs of movements from ladies watches, you'll probably have to ID by the traditional approach .. remove the dial and ID by shape of the setting works (and overall movement dimensions)

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    Re: Timew Electric backwind

    Quote Originally Posted by bjohnson View Post
    I have one of those. The year made is the last two digits of the text at the bottom edge of the dial.

    From what I've read the first Timex Electrics were made by Durowe/Laco in Germany

    But I didn't record the movement info or take a photo the last time I had mine open for a battery change
    The only thing I can read without taking it apart is "Great Britain".

    Open for a battery change? I just pop of a cap the size of the battery on the back and that's where the battery goes..
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    Re: Unknow older watchers

    Quote Originally Posted by bjohnson View Post
    Due to the lack of photos available for the backs of movements from ladies watches, you'll probably have to ID by the traditional approach .. remove the dial and ID by shape of the setting works (and overall movement dimensions)
    ID by the shape of the setting works?
    I didn't quite get that, care to explain?

    Thanks for the information so far.
    As far as I understand, you think that the "unknown gold watch" is a gentleman's watch and the other a women's watch?
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    Re: Unknow older watchers

    Quote Originally Posted by rousp View Post
    ID by the shape of the setting works?
    I didn't quite get that, care to explain?

    Thanks for the information so far.
    As far as I understand, you think that the "unknown gold watch" is a gentleman's watch and the other a women's watch?
    There is no perspective on size in the pictures. If it is a small watch, 25mm or less, it is probably a ladies watch. 30mm or more, probably a gents. The second watch is certainly a ladies watch from the style.
    "Forever is composed of nows." - Emily Dickinson

    "The watch has to be surrounded by a history.
    You need more than just a great design. You need to create an atmosphere around the product.
    Who is the company behind it? Why are they using this material?
    People need to be able to identify the watch with themselves. It's based on emotion." - Ralph Furter

    ...that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before and will be again and might be now!

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    Re: Unknow older watchers

    It's small, so a ladies watch then.
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