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    Unknown Hamilton mystery movement?

    I have this pocket watch, and was doing some repair to the lever set mechanism, and was looking for information, when i realized it does not say hamilton on the movement.... I'm wondering which movement this could be and why it has a Hamilton face on it... Just looking for a little help...
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    Re: Unknown Hamilton mystery movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by tinknocker View Post
    Thats the first place I looked but this movement isn’t marked Hamilton and the 974 has a different setting mechanism then this one.
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    Re: Unknown Hamilton mystery movement?

    I don't know why it says New Model but It is ether a hamilton 974.

    Hamilton 974s could ether be a lever set or a pendant set.

    Here is some info on this by one of the Hamilton watch company experts

    Vintage Hamilton Watch Restoration: 1920 17 jewel 974 Pocket Watch

    Here is a Hamilton catalog picture showing it to be offered in ether pendant or lever set
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    Re: Unknown Hamilton mystery movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by journeyforce View Post
    I don't know why it says New Model but It is ether a hamilton 974.

    Hamilton 974s could ether be a lever set or a pendant set.

    Here is some info on this by one of the Hamilton watch company experts

    Vintage Hamilton Watch Restoration: 1920 17 jewel 974 Pocket Watch

    Here is a Hamilton catalog picture showing it to be offered in ether pendant or lever set
    So if that is the movement, and this one is lever set, does anyone have any idea where i can find this piece, or even a picture of this on correctly? I havent found one pic of a 974 movement with the same configuration...
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    Re: Unknown Hamilton mystery movement?

    I've seen many private label Hamilton's made for various Jewelers with their names and such on them. Many of the companies back then offered services to place whatever you wanted on movements and dials as long as you were willing to pay. I've even seen custom decoration on the movements. In particular one Elgin had a nifty heart shaped cutout in the balance cock, and some different than normal damaskeening. Perhaps this watch was something of that sort.

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    Re: Unknown Hamilton mystery movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by rickhufnagel7 View Post
    I've seen many private label Hamilton's made for various Jewelers with their names and such on them. Many of the companies back then offered services to place whatever you wanted on movements and dials as long as you were willing to pay. I've even seen custom decoration on the movements. In particular one Elgin had a nifty heart shaped cutout in the balance cock, and some different than normal damaskeening. Perhaps this watch was something of that sort.

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    That is correct.

    The New Model engraving on the movement might mean this watch(or at least the movement) was perhaps some kind of sales man or shop sample?
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    Per the Hamilton ledger your watch was sold to Smith Patterson Co on 8/14/1908. It was not the only 974L sold to Smith Patterson on that date. Being there are no sales orders records that might indicate why this one is marked this way there are 2 thoughts. First they had been ordering the older model 16s Hamilton's and they had 1 that was marked this way as a display piece. The second possibility is that Smith Patterson marketed their "New Model" watches to be marked as new model. That would make it a private label for sales reasons. Either way it would still classify as a private label in that it was marked per the customer's order.

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