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    Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    Unknown Pocket Watch, size 21 if there is such a thing. It measures 49.07MM in diameter.

    Half Hunter Case, with screw down crystal front, made from nickel (possibly)

    Porcelain Dial with Roman Numerals, and red Arabic 24 Hour Numerals, making this possibly a military PW?

    Sub Seconds at 6 O’clock, with Arabic Numerals

    Brass Cathedral Hands

    Crown and Winding Stem at 12 O’clock

    Back inside of Half Hunter Case only has a Serial Number, 472786.

    Underside of Dustcover is Engine Turned with Serial Number, 472786.

    Movement is not Maker Marked. The only mark is a capitol “M”, next to small gear.

    This is a Lever Action Escapement Movement Correct?

    Please tell me all that I missed…I am still learning! LOL!

    Thanks in advance,

    John


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    Re: Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    This is probably a Swiss pocket watch. These generic movements were not found in the US where everybody marked and serialized their movements.

    The dial is a bit too fancy and the size too small for it to have been made for military use. It is much more common for pocket watches to have been designated for railroad use... watches were more important to railroads than to armies at this period of time. Dig through some of the past posts for some interesting discussions of railroad watches.
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    Re: Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    Too fancy for the military, which preferred large, contrasting dials & hands. May or may not have been for European railroads. More for civilian use rather than military.
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    Re: Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    The movement markings are most likely located under the dial.

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    Re: Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    Not a half-hunter or demi-hunter, but an open face case. Looks like a 15 jewel Swiss watch from the 1920s-30s.

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    Re: Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    Quote Originally Posted by RON in PA View Post
    Not a half-hunter or demi-hunter, but an open face case. Looks like a 15 jewel Swiss watch from the 1920s-30s.

    The style of the hands tells as that its a bit older than u think.I would say first two decades of 20th century.

    Markings are probably on the movement under the dial.Take it to the watchmaker and he will solve the enigma.
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    Re: Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    Thank you gentleman for the help and the advice, I will take it to my watchmaker and have him take it apart. I did that once, and it did not work out to well!

    Ron, I thank you again for defining the case for me.

    Jedanzoom, thank for making my day saying it might be an early watch…This is one watch I do really like, I am curious about it…plain case, plain movement, yet a fancy dial and hands.

    I still have a lot to learn!

    Regards,

    John

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    Re: Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    Also, there is no size 21 watch. Sizes were in even numbers, only. And watch-sizes went from 0-24.
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    Re: Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    Hey, Shnagas Thanks!

    The Dial Plate it 42.94MM, so that makes it a Size 16 correct?

    Regards,

    John

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    Re: Unknown Pocket Watch Assistance, learning curve to see if I am learning.

    According to my source, a 16-size is 43.18mm, so yeah, I reckon your watch may be either a 14 or 16 size. Probably the latter.
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