Follwing David's recent thread - https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/wat...-c-702138.html - I to have found myself the proud owner of one of these rare watches!
The listing stated:Very Rare Concealed Bottom Screw Bezel Silver Case Wrist Watch Not in working orderNo strapHairline to DialHallmarked for Glasgow 1929and the few pics were not really selling it either (lucky for me).
Being the only bidder, I can only guess it was priced to high to start (put bidders off), or the collectors I appear to be up against did not see it - as it was listed badly... either way, it was a bit of a gamble with no movement pics.... but well worth taking imo!
I have given the watch a quick clear... and after a few stop/starts, the watch is ticking away as I write this! The watch arrived fully wound. Hopefully, the watch only needs a service... just glad to see its complete, not mangled, hairsprings ok, etc....
so, here it is... Case:
Notice the lack of crown....
With the bezel removed, the 'inner watch' hinges out to allow access to the crown for winding/setting
the inner watch also has a dust cover for extra protection
With the movement removed from the hinged carry ring, its easy to see the case markings:
You can clearly see the Borgel case mark F.B. and the import marks for glasgow 1929. The one item on the case that is still confusing me is the JW.... when I saw the listing, I had guessed this as saying J+W... but, the '+' is actually a bird?
The movement (comming to in a min) is a Marvin. My other Marvin Borgel, also hallmarked for Glasgow (1917) .... Also carries the sponsors mark JW
With no certainty, Im assuming this could be the same sponsor (as marks do change). Im also guessing, this may be James Weir of Glasgow.. looking at this list of makers marks (very bottom of the page), you can see he has a number of marks:
Glasgow Makers Marks (G-J)
But, as I say, Im only guessing, as I cant find another Glasgow based JW.... plus my new watch with the addition of a bird between J and W may be completely different - any ideas????
Moving onto the movement... (still ticking)
appears to be good quality... I had no clue to start with who the maker was....but with the dial off, it was clear!
Clear stamped MARVIN.... but im still no closer to an Cal Id.... movemnt size is a 10.5''' and here is a clearer pic of the setting (plate removed as I could not get the stem back in) gears/levers:
The dial cleaned up quite well, you can still see the hairline, but its no where near as bad!
As seen, the hands dont match! Im assuming the 'moon' style minute hand is original.... as it also matches the one drawn on the Patent application by Jean Finger - as shown on Davids thread:
Agian, quite happy with this one!!
Any info/thoughts on the movement ID or Sponsors mark JW... please let me know