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    Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    Hello, everyone. My watchmaker gave me, in payment of a debt, a vintage chronograph, supposedly from the thirties, branded Aurea. Since it was revised and in good condition, I accepted it. It's on my wrist now, working very well. I tested the chrono function and it is equally working.

    Dial was remade, as you'll be able to see from the pictures below. Original caseback was replaced by a transparent crystal. My watchmaker told me the previous owner had this crystal caseback made because he liked to see the movement working. Besides, one can notice that the minute accumulator hand, usually shaped as an arrow in chronos from that time, has been placed on the seconds subdial, while the seconds hand, needdle-shaped, is placed on the minute counter.

    I'd like some help to identify this movement. It's a column wheel, one pusher movement, with a six columns pillar. Since it showcases a chronograph bridge shaped as a wishbone, I suspect it could be a Lemania specimen.

    Additionally, I'd apppreciate some opinions about the redial. Does it seem well made to you? Anyway, I can say it looks quite better in person. Style-wise, does it seem a thirties specimen? To me, it's more like early forties...

    Finally, can you tell me some about this Aurea company? I've seen some specimens for sale online branded Aurea, none of them a chronograph.
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    Re: Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    Hi Elvis,

    I first thought, it could be a Valjoux VZ:
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Valjoux VZ
    There is an option for a single pusher.
    But I do not know exactly, perhaps another member has an idea?

    PS: I have seen, that your movement/column wheel has six teeth.
    It should be another movement.


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    Re: Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    Valjoux 65? (Edit: No, I see now it's not quite right.)

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    Re: Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    Aha, maybe Valjoux 84. (Edit: Looks very close to me, but the V84 is a flyback movement, so it would be weird to have only one button.)

    (Edit #2: No, this isn't right either. I give up. I bet it's a Valjoux though.)

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    Re: Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    Early single pusher Valjoux 22?
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    Re: Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    I wonder if this case and dial has something todo with 30s :/
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    Re: Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    I would say that, with that sort of balance cock (straight edges on both sides), it's a Valjoux 22:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Valjoux 22

    This was made from 1914-1974 but only got a second pusher in 1936 so this is based on an old stock movement or must be a pre-1936 watch.

    As for the dial: I've seen worse but I wouldn't really call it terrific. Four out of ten at best, and possibly one or two less.....

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    Re: Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    Yes, with the tachymeter dial ending at "700", I think that 1930s is a good guess.
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    Re: Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    If all agree as to the time period, then I'd say it would be logical that the case has also been replated. If so, you'd have to ask how many microns of plate did it have, because…

    Not to mention the exhibition back which would make it fairly heavily renovated as a piece: dial, case and back. As a long term purchase, I'd suggest that that there would be little to favour it – if you love it, that's a different thing, of course – but I'd suggest that any longer term "value" as a collector's item or as something you imagine you may sell in later life, I'd think this would be a poor choice. And so I'd hope that the debt was fairly small…


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    Yes, with the tachymeter dial ending at "700", I think that 1930s is a good guess.
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    Re: Vintage Aurea Chronograph - Help me identify the movement

    Ok, gentlemen, then Valjoux 22 it is. Thank you for the information.

    As for Habitant's remarks, very well put, of course, I must say I noticed everything that was pointed from the first glance at the piece. Nevertheless, I considered it could be a good deal mostly because of the movement: around here, we don't stumble upon one pusher, column wheel chronos everyday; besides, the machine is very well preserved and works fine. Even considering the modifications, it's a good-looking watch, pretty decent and wearable (it's on my wrist right now!). By the strenght of its venerable caliber, still very alive after eight decades of use, I consider that this particular piece retains some dignity...

    I'm fully aware it bears no value from the collectibility point of view, but I do not intend to sell it or part with it so soon. As for the value I paid for it, well... let's say that it was priced near an all-original chrono, with a renowned caliber, but in average to bad condition, or near a well preserved cam operated Landeron. A really good specimen would have costed me two or three times what was asked for this one. I obviously have in mind Brazil's market for vintage watches.

    Concerning the size of the debt, it was small enough to make me accept the deal. As you must know, we're in the middle of an economic recession here in Brazil. My watchmaker suffered very badly the effects of this desaceleration: for months, he was unable to honour his debt with me (and with others of his clients) in order to keep his shop working. So, it happened to be the best way to resolve our question.

    As you all can see, we're in our way back to a barter economy...
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