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    Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    Hello everyone
    Can you help me with this watch, i'm not expert about IWC.
    I want to know that is watch is authentic.
    The dial is not marked, only movement is marked and have numbers (maybe serial numbers, but i don't know how to find cal. on the movement).

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    Re: Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    Looks entirely original to me (at least the movement , minus the, ehrm, - pencil marks?!). The movement is probably the savonette version of this one or a calibre of related size:

    bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: IWC 63 12'''

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    Re: Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    Hi there,

    it is a recased hunter pocket watch movement in rather poor shape. Unsigned dials are pretty common for IWC, and as the style matches the production year 1912, I suspect it is original. I can only say that I'd not touch it.

    Edit: Oops, I wasn't fast enough. The movement is an IWC 53 19'''H5:
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: IWC 53 19'''H5

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
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    Re: Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    Thank you very much :)

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    Re: Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    The patent dates from 1905. See Espacenet - Bibliographic data

    Dispositif pour limiter le remontage des mouvements d'horlogerie à barillet

    Which google translates as:
    Device for limiting the reassembly of the barrel clock movements
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    Re: Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrick View Post
    The patent dates from 1905. See Espacenet - Bibliographic data

    Dispositif pour limiter le remontage des mouvements d'horlogerie à barillet

    Which google translates as:
    Device for limiting the reassembly of the barrel clock movements
    Is the owner of that patent anything to do with IWC?
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    Re: Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Is the owner of that patent anything to do with IWC?
    The fact that the company that received the patent was also located in Schaffhausen makes it a pretty good bet.

    CONFÉDÉRATION SUISSE

    BUREAU FÉDÉRAL DE LA

    PROPRIÉTÉ INTELLECTUELLE

    EXPOSÉ D'INVENTION

    Brevet N° 31457 11 mai 1904, 7 h. p. Classe 65

    Fabrique d'Horlogerie de J. RAUSCHENBACH, à Schaffhouse (Suisse). Dispositif pour limiter le remontage des mouyements d'horlogerie à barillet.
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    Re: Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    Hi Adam,

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Is the owner of that patent anything to do with IWC?
    The Fabrique d'Horlogerie de J. Rauschenbach was IWC back then.

    Mentioning the patent number on movements is pretty ridiculous: The main subject is a stop device (dispositif pour limiter le remontage) which was known since more than 100 years when the patent was filed. This movement from ca. 1800 has two of them
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Freres Melly 24'''



    and you'll find it almost never in an IWC movement. A minor subject of the patent is the design of the barrel- and crown-wheel bearings with the characteristical three screws we are all familiar with.

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    Re: Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    It can be made to near-perfect vintage wristwatch.

    Works I would do with it:
    1. case chromium plating
    2. make new stainless steel caseback with crystal
    3. replace crown with vintage new-old-stock
    4. polish hands and maybe renew gold plating
    5. full movement service
    6. make/order new strap

    So you will have a nice wtch by famous Swiss brand, and you will be able to enjoy it's true antique movement via caseback.
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    Re: Vintage IWC Scafusia authentic ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    Hi Adam,


    The Fabrique d'Horlogerie de J. Rauschenbach was IWC back then.

    Mentioning the patent number on movements is pretty ridiculous: The main subject is a stop device (dispositif pour limiter le remontage) which was known since more than 100 years when the patent was filed. This movement from ca. 1800 has two of them
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Freres Melly 24'''



    and you'll find it almost never in an IWC movement. A minor subject of the patent is the design of the barrel- and crown-wheel bearings with the characteristical three screws we are all familiar with.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
    Thanks Roland.
    The patent, I understood, but did not know the background to IWC.
    Thanks your detailed reply.
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