Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?
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    Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    I've been spending far too much time looking at vintage Seikos online (ebay especially); some of the Lord Matics I like the look of very much indeed - very clean, crisp, businesslike styling. In my searches I've also come across a few other models: Skyliner, Sportsman, etc. What I'd like to know is: where can I find out the relative qualities of these animals: which ones are considered good buys, and which (if any) to avoid?

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    Re: Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    Hi,

    One of the best places to find the relative qualities your looking for is here. Have a quick read of today's post and any from previous days and you will see it is a recurring theme.
    Best to post a movement and dial shot and any other info and you will get a response from the collective knowledge pool here.

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    Re: Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    Hi,


    Good advice from James...
    Just a few pointers....you are right there are many vintage models with various names...none as far as I am aware are ones to avoid...As with most things Japanese, especially vintage, they were impeccably engineered and built and offer great value for money when compared to their Swiss counterpart. As a general rule of thumb the higher the jewel count the “better” the movement – a little research will put the “pecking order” in line pretty quickly…. I think (off the top of my head!!) that the Skyliner was pre “Grand” and “King” and therefore perhaps the top of the line in the late 50’s early 60’s. Grand Seiko is top of the pedigree with King close behind…Although AFAIK they were originally built in separate Seiko factories and it was a competition between these factories to built the “best” Seiko at the time – (mid 60’s about)…So early models probably comparative although vintage Grand commands a higher premium. “Lord Matics" were 1 or 2 step higher in quality than the average Seiko of the time….Some model names indicate complications, desired use etc….
    There have been heaps of difference models and here is a good resource for research….

    Japanese Watch Info Database. Forum

    Also this is also a great site for research and also to purchase great vintage Seiko…Based in Japan they specialise in vintage Japanese watches and I have dealt with them on numerous occasions and can’t speak highly enough of their service….

    Watch CTI

    Vintage Seiko – can’t go wrong…..

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    Re: Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    Many thanks - yes, I'll keep hunting around here, and on the Japanese forum. I've just had a look at Watch CTI: is it just my ignorance, or are they a bit expensive? A 1970 Lord Marvel is listed at ¥69,000 ≈ $700, a 1973 quartz is listed as ¥72,000 ≈ $750 (Australian dollars). I mean, I could buy a new Mido Multifort/Baroncelli for not much more than that. I would rather a vintage Seiko though, but I don't want to really have to spend much more than $200 if I can. (I'm just sending vast sums of money getting my bathroom and kitchen remodelled, and there's barely enough left to buy a sausage.)

    Thanks again!

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    Re: Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    In general you get what you pay for....The Lord Marvel, as well as been relatively hard to find, is in absolutely cracker condition - more importantly probably all original...Condition, rarity and originality is what vintage value is all about (generally speaking) It would have been serviced as I believe all their watches are...This is a minimum 160AUD plus cost....From what I see I think it is great value...Depends on your perspective I guess...You can buy vintage Seikos all day long on the bay ....Frankens from Philippines, India and the like...Tropical paradises that reek havoc with watches.... You pay for a service (not just mechanical!!) with CTI…you know when you open the package it's what it should be...That's the value...Buy the seller not the watch unless you really know what you are doing....

    Take James advice and when you find watches that interest you post pics including movement here and well try and help as much as we can…
    Best of luck….
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    Re: Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    Well, for example, this guy: saikyu on eBay seems to be selling the occasional Lord Matic for £136.33 ≈ $250. Are these items to be trusted? And what about the offerings from hiroki-japan on eBay again having pieces which seem to be more in my price range?

    Thanks!
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    Re: Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    Hi,

    Hiroki 98.2% positive
    Saikyu 100.00 % positive

    I have never purchased from these guys. Perhaps someone here has. To answer your question on trust , these sellers look fine to me.

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    Re: Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    Yes their watches look OK...Some look polished and they are models from the 70’s…Does this effect value??? these watches are from Japan and likely domestic models…Do they have an English date wheel??.... you will need to pick out specific examples if you want comprehensive evaluation…no mention of servicing - vintage watches should be serviced if you want them to last and perform without wearing themselves out prematurely so always add this cost to the price… Don’t make the mistake of comparing apples with oranges when it comes to perceived prices….
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    Re: Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    Talking about Skyliners, here is mine. I like the unique shape & probably one of the thinnest Japanese watches of that era and never knew that they were top of the line during the 50s & 60s
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    Re: Vintage Seiko: Lord Matic, Skyliner, Sportsman?

    I recently bought a Russian alarm watch but would like a seiko Bellmatic these go for good prices, have you thought about one of these?

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