Waltham Swiss Made Really?

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    Waltham Swiss Made Really?

    Here is a Waltham Swiss Made but is it? The dial says it is, the case says it is, but it runs a german made PUW 1260 automatic and the dial feet are intact so it is original. Very nice no matter who gets the credit.
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    Re: Waltham Swiss Made Really?

    I am not sure what the limitations on "Swiss Made" were when this watch was made, but I strongly suspect a PUW movement would have always disqualified the watch for that designation.

    Movement makers often make their products such that they can be interchanged with more popular competitive movements. That may be why the dial feet work on the PUW without modification.
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    Re: Waltham Swiss Made Really?

    Hmm..Ranftt shows the 1260 has being produced between 60 and 66, but your watch looks a bit younger then that. Does it say "Waterproof" on the caseback?
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    Re: Waltham Swiss Made Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    Hmm..Ranftt shows the 1260 has being produced between 60 and 66, but your watch looks a bit younger then that. Does it say "Waterproof" on the caseback?
    It states all stainless steel waterproof antimagnetic waltham and serial numbers.
    inside back is swiss made
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    1977 Timex Milspec Custom Conversion
    1966 Timex 600 Skindiver
    1969 Benrus US Military Issued
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    Re: Waltham Swiss Made Really?

    That's slick dirtvictim--enjoy it!

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    Re: Waltham Swiss Made Really?

    I wonder how the Waltham International SA watches were compared to the Waltham watches manufactured here in Waltham?
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    Re: Waltham Swiss Made Really?

    The rules back then were very different. There are a number of "American", and even a number of "Swiss" brands that were "Swiss Made" in the 1960s with PUW or EB movements.

    Waltham, Massachusetts made movements from the 1950's were generally not as good as Hamilton or Elgin movements from the same period, although, some weren't bad. In my opinion, the quality remained about the same during the transition from "American" to "elsewhere." It may have even improved somewhat....
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    Re: Waltham Swiss Made Really?

    Tricky question, that. When Dumaine took over in the 20's, he focused on cost reduction. In his world, it was better to increase production even if it meant lowering the quality of the watch, since it was cheaper to fix the ones that came back. The jobbers shielded the high-end customers from that to some degree, so it only really bit them when they tried to bypass the jobbers in the mid 40's by selling direct.
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