IS this watch really 18k gold??
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    IS this watch really 18k gold??

    any opinions will be highly appreciated:) thank you
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    Re: IS this watch really 18k gold??

    If there are hallmarks like the one you show on all the case parts, yes.

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    Re: IS this watch really 18k gold??

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbee View Post
    If there are hallmarks like the one you show on all the case parts, yes.
    Thank you for your answer.I'm asking about this particular watch.I want to sell it but I dont want to misslead potential buyer as i'm not a watch speacialist.Do you think collectiors might find it interesteing?

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    IS this watch really 18k gold??

    Quote Originally Posted by ARTEGO View Post
    Thank you for your answer.I'm asking about this particular watch.I want to sell it but I dont want to misslead potential buyer as i'm not a watch speacialist.Do you think collectiors might find it interesteing?
    His answer was about this particular watch. All the case parts that are solid gold--cover, ring, back cover, inner cover--should be separately hallmarked. If it is a Swiss 18K case made after 1880, it should have a Lady Helvetia hallmark with a code in it to identify the Swiss assay office. These may be very tiny, but they are important to answering your question. "18K" by itself is not a guarantee that the case is solid gold.

    The movement itself seems to me (a non-expert) like a pretty typical good-quality Swiss pocket watch of about a century ago or more. I don't think this is the work of a really high-end maker, but it was probably a high-grade movement of the day when 15 jewels was about the most that watchmakers thought useful. "Remontoir" is not a brand--it's really just the generic term for a slim, stem-wound pocket watch. And "Ancre" means that it has a lever escapement, which we can already see in the movement. The "Breguet" references the shape of the hairspring (which was invented by Breguet), not any connection to the Breguet watchmaking company. Many late 19th and early 20th-century Swiss pocket watches contain no labeling at all, and their makers are near-impossible to identify.

    We don't do valuations here, but collectors of vintage watches are very concerned about condition. The dial on this one looks okay (though the pictures are not sharp enough to show hairlines), but the movement shows some corrosion and dirt that could be corrected during servicing.

    Rick "thinking the case would need to be tested by an expert if clear hallmarks can't be found" Denney
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    Re: IS this watch really 18k gold??

    Thank you Rdeeney:)

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    Re: IS this watch really 18k gold??

    Quote Originally Posted by Rdenney View Post
    "18K" by itself means it was intended for the Swiss market (it was illegal to own gold more pure than 14K in the U.S. before the 1930's), but it is not a guarantee that the case is solid gold.
    Not sure I agree with the above, particularly the part about ownership of gold more than 14K pure in the US before the 1930's. In fact, it was never illegal to own gold jewellery in the USA. It was illegal to trade in gold (of any fineness) without a license from the government after the passage of the Gold Reserve Act in 1934. It was also illegal to own gold coins, again of any fineness, unless licensed.

    Gold Reserve Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There were many. many watch cases of 18K gold sold in the USA prior to Executive Order 6102 in 1933.

    Tiffany in New York was famous for them.

    Tiffany & Co 18K Solid Gold Antique Pocket Watch Triple Signed 1880s LeCoultre

    Be sure to watch the video, too!

    There were also plenty of 18K gold cases made in the US after 1933 as well. See the picture below from the 1948 Hamilton Catalog. The "Gordon" was 18K gold.



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    IS this watch really 18k gold??

    Yes. My research led me to a fallacious article. I edited my post accordingly.

    Rick "thanks for the correction" Denney
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    Vintage: JLC: ref. 2953, ca. 1946; Longines: Flagship cal 285; Zodiac: SST cal. 86, Aerospace GMT cal. 72; Favre-Leuba: cal. 253; Tianjin: Dong Feng cal. ST5; Elgin: Gr. 152 (1898), Gr. 384 (1919); Ebel: ca. 1962 ref. 9214955
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