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    Re: Watches are like buses.............

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat1960 View Post
    Let me explain how I made out "1930s": the copper-colored chapter ring is a typical art deco element, I've seen it in a great many of 30's watches, but rarely in younger ones. Second, at first glance the generous application of luninous material seems to indicate that it fits into an era when blackouts were common - i.e., the 1940s - but the hands look like the radium has just been painted on, not filled in hands meant to take a large quantity of lume.

    My theory is that this watch has been designed and built in the 1930s, but was sold only after the outbreak of WW II. I can imagine that watches on stock were 'updated' with lume by the manufacturer before being sold.

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    I too think 40s.
    The watch I believe is re-lumed.
    That heavy reluming is very typical of 40 and 50s where they piled it on.

    The gold bezel? Nope, not sure that points to 1930s either.

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    Re: Watches are like buses.............

    Roamer changed logo in 1938. I can't recall seeing a single old logo dial with a copper chapter ring but I've seen bucket loads of new logo ones. So it may depend on manufacturer.


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    Which, oddly enough, is what they say about sex, too…

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    Re: Watches are like buses.............

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    I too think 40s.
    The watch I believe is re-lumed.
    That heavy reluming is very typical of 40 and 50s where they piled it on.

    The gold bezel? Nope, not sure that points to 1930s either.

    Just my opinion of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat1960 View Post
    Let me explain how I made out "1930s": the copper-colored chapter ring is a typical art deco element, I've seen it in a great many of 30's watches, but rarely in younger ones. Second, at first glance the generous application of luninous material seems to indicate that it fits into an era when blackouts were common - i.e., the 1940s - but the hands look like the radium has just been painted on, not filled in hands meant to take a large quantity of lume.

    My theory is that this watch has been designed and built in the 1930s, but was sold only after the outbreak of WW II. I can imagine that watches on stock were 'updated' with lume by the manufacturer before being sold.

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    I've been pondering the same sort of thing myself today, I think we may be on to something as in it's a mixture of styles the copper chapter ring does give it a late 30's feel and the heavy lume does look 40's the lume on the hands is different as it doesn't glow for nearly as long as the numbers and markers which glowed strongly all night, in fact it would give some new watches a run for their money and as watches were kept until sold back then it may have been sold in the early 40's and brought up to black out spec but I doubt we'll ever know for sure and to be honest I don't really care I love it as it is.

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    Hell of a cool watch!
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    Re: Watches are like buses.............

    Wait, are you saying this watch still glows in the dark? Nothing from the 40's or even 50's will still glow today. So if the lume still glows, it's been relumed sometime recently (and if it glows for a bit after you hold it under a light, then it's probably photo-lume not radio-lume)
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    Re: Watches are like buses.............

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    Wait, are you saying this watch still glows in the dark? Nothing from the 40's or even 50's will still glow today. So if the lume still glows, it's been relumed sometime recently (and if it glows for a bit after you hold it under a light, then it's probably photo-lume not radio-lume)
    Nothing from the 40's or even 50's will still glow today
    Oooh That's a bold statement, the lume on my 1959 seamaster still glows and that's original, the lume on the Driva may be original or may be modern as I said before I really don't give two hoots I bought it because I like it.

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    Re: Watches are like buses.............

    Very nice watch

    The shock resistance might help with the decade. Was shock resistance offered in the 1930s?

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    Re: Watches are like buses.............

    Quote Originally Posted by aditya View Post
    Very nice watch

    The shock resistance might help with the decade. Was shock resistance offered in the 1930s?

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    No
    Incabloc was invented 1933.
    But not really implemented to 40s
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    Re: Watches are like buses.............

    Sorry, Adam, you're missing out on quite some watches with Incabloc already in the 1930s: Mido's Multifort, for instance, several Wylers, and West End Watch Co. Implemented Incabloc in regular production in 1937 (according to their own history).

    And Incabloc was not the first shock protection device used - there quite many attempts at solutions already in the 1920s. Shock protection became common in the late 40s and early 1950s, but it was definitely available a lot earlier.


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