West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

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    West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

    Hi all,

    Looking to identify the date and movement of this West End Sowar Prima that a friend owns.. also it is gaining an hour a day, so is it likely just in need of a service or worse?





    Thanks for your help.
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    Re: West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

    Well, since it has modern Incabloc shock proofing, it can't be that old. It reminds me a little of some of the AM (Adolf Michel) movements but the match is by no means exact.....

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    Re: West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

    I think we might need to see under the dial. I was wondering for a little while if it was a modified bridge version of a record movement. Probably not.

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    Re: West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

    Quote Originally Posted by trim View Post
    I think we might need to see under the dial. I was wondering for a little while if it was a modified bridge version of a record movement. Probably not.
    The closest I could find on Ranfft site was FHF30 or similar..


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    Re: West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmut Richter View Post
    Well, since it has modern Incabloc shock proofing, it can't be that old.
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    Well Incabloc was patented 1933, and implemented mainly by mid 40s.
    So not modern?
    Pre 1950. No?
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    Re: West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

    Quote Originally Posted by HOROLOGIST007 View Post
    Well Incabloc was patented 1933, and implemented mainly by mid 40s.
    So not modern?
    Pre 1950. No?
    The watches history from my friend suggests late 40s through to 50s.. It has been passed to him via family.. so I am also going with somewhere in the area of 1945-1950..


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    Re: West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

    Quote Originally Posted by anzac1957 View Post
    The watches history from my friend suggests late 40s through to 50s.. It has been passed to him via family.. so I am also going with somewhere in the area of 1945-1950..
    My guess earlier 40s to 45
    Incabloc was well used by 50s
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    Re: West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

    The problem as it were with West End was that from around 1920 they 'froze' their style and a watch from 1970 is quite consistent in look with one from fifty years before and this means that you have to suspend some of your normal dating instincts. Incabloc yes, but also the movement carries the West End logo and it's in a Taubert case. These all point to the period 1940 - 1960/1970. Sometime around the latter dates they changed the case style, making it a little bigger and insetting the crown. I would say that the date range from your friend seems consistent.


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    Re: West End Sowar Prima - date and movement ID please..

    That's what I meant when I said "not that old" in this particular case. The style of the watch suggests the twenties or thirties but the Incabloc adds ca. 20 years to that estimate.

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