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    What does an H engraving on the lug ACTUALLY mean?

    Hi

    As title states I have read somewhere but can´t remember anymore that an H engraving on a lug on Gallet chronographs meant these cases were originally purposed for the german military.
    I have found that some other brands also engraved these?

    Anyone have any factual evidence?


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    Re: What does an H engraving on the lug ACTUALLY mean?

    Hi GW, I believe we've talked about this at some point on this forum.

    The prevailing thought is that the "H" on the case signified that this particular watch was for the EP40 movement, which had a subdial for HOURS. The EP4 caliber can record up to 45 minutes, but the EP40 can record up to 12 hours.





    ***Edit. I don't think I have a photo handy to illustrate this point, but if the "H" model watches were for the German audience, why do they have the JXR American import identifier showing?
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    Re: What does an H engraving on the lug ACTUALLY mean?

    Sounds like something an EBay seller would say to try to increase bids...
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    Re: What does an H engraving on the lug ACTUALLY mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    Sounds like something an EBay seller would say to try to increase bids...
    I agree, they sometimes even extend the war by a few years

    http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=151042287550

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    War is hell, son. It's never really over.
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    Re: What does an H engraving on the lug ACTUALLY mean?

    well, DragonDans knowledge of Gallet is supreme - Gallet is his passion.
    I wonder if he or any one asked Gallet?
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    Re: What does an H engraving on the lug ACTUALLY mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by busmatt View Post
    I agree, they sometimes even extend the war by a few years

    http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=151042287550

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    The Bulova in the link looks like an A17A, vandalised by a "professional redial"... I think it's vandalism, plain and simple.

    GW, as to the H markings and the German armed forces... There were D and DH marked watches, I've never seen an H alone. Any military markings on a watch would be on the dial or caseback. Or both. Not under the lug, that's for sure! That said, DragonDan's right.

    There are probably more DH marked watches on eBay than the actual number of them ever made. Most of the fakes come from Ukraine, and they're usually frankenwatches with PW movements. But there are also simple "civilian" watches with sub-seconds, lumed hands and Arabic numerals, which are being "converted" into DH by engraving the caseback.
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    Re: What does an H engraving on the lug ACTUALLY mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    The Bulova in the link looks like an A17A, vandalised by a "professional redial"... I think it's vandalism, plain and simple.

    GW, as to the H markings and the German armed forces... There were D and DH marked watches, I've never seen an H alone. Any military markings on a watch would be on the dial or caseback. Or both. Not under the lug, that's for sure! That said, DragonDan's right.

    There are probably more DH marked watches on eBay than the actual number of them ever made. Most of the fakes come from Ukraine, and they're usually frankenwatches with PW movements. But there are also simple "civilian" watches with sub-seconds, lumed hands and Arabic numerals, which are being "converted" into DH by engraving the caseback.
    If the entire German armed forces left all their watches in the Ukraine, it would only amount to a small percentage of those coming from there now,

    unless they have been breeding. (The watches, that is.....)
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    Re: What does an H engraving on the lug ACTUALLY mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by marks55 View Post
    If the entire German armed forces left all their watches in the Ukraine, it would only amount to a small percentage of those coming from there now,

    unless they have been breeding. (The watches, that is.....)
    Too right... When I see these frankens, I always think of what they must have looked like before "militarization". Recently, I've seen the sellers become more careful about the descriptions though- between the lines, they admit to redialling or recasing. Or both. Someone probably filed a complaint to eBay...
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    Re: What does an H engraving on the lug ACTUALLY mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    The Bulova in the link looks like an A17A, vandalised by a "professional redial"... I think it's vandalism, plain and simple.

    GW, as to the H markings and the German armed forces... There were D and DH marked watches, I've never seen an H alone. Any military markings on a watch would be on the dial or caseback. Or both. Not under the lug, that's for sure! That said, DragonDan's right.

    There are probably more DH marked watches on eBay than the actual number of them ever made. Most of the fakes come from Ukraine, and they're usually frankenwatches with PW movements. But there are also simple "civilian" watches with sub-seconds, lumed hands and Arabic numerals, which are being "converted" into DH by engraving the caseback.
    Even with my limited knowledge of vintage Bulova's I could tell this on wasn't right. I was referring to the fact it was advertised as a 1950's WW2 watch.

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