What is this? ''Rolex Lever'' small pocket watch
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    What is this? ''Rolex Lever'' small pocket watch

    Hey there
    what is this?
    and how old?
    about 35-40mm size
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    Re: What is this? ''Rolex Lever'' small pocket watch

    I can see a Movado dial, a case that's a hell-knows-what with illegible markings (at least illegible in the photo provided), and a Cortebert movement.
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Cortebert 516

    What I think it is, is a frankenwatch in dreadful condition.
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    Re: What is this? ''Rolex Lever'' small pocket watch

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    is a frankenwatch in dreadful condition.
    thanks - now I know what is "frankenwatch" means. in Russia, we just call such a watch "cutlet" .
    but what about Rolex? did they supply their parts?

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    Re: What is this? ''Rolex Lever'' small pocket watch

    "Their parts" is impossible because they don't build parts these days.They order them. "Rolex" began as a seller. By the time Rebbeg/Aegler get their eclusive movement maker and some centuries later complete a part of the company. "Rolex" or Aeger never build male pocket watchmovements themself in their history. They were bought from Buren and later on Cortebert. May be others as well. I'm not a Rolex expert. The first pocket watches ordred by Buren was exact the same quality as their own ones. The only difference was Rolex written on the winding system weels. By the time they ordered "special Rolex movement editions" for pocket watches but this was later on.

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    Well, Rolex did use Cortebert movements, however here, in absence of markings anywhere except the ratchet wheel, either the ratchet wheel was salvaged from a wrecked Rolex-signed Cortebert movement, or the Rolex engraving is fake.
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    Re: What is this? ''Rolex Lever'' small pocket watch

    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    or the Rolex engraving is fake.
    I assumed that, too. so I thought I'd ask about it here.
    also there is a "TS" letters in the rhombus , "nickel" stamp and 563782 on the caseback

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    Re: What is this? ''Rolex Lever'' small pocket watch

    I do not think the engraving is fake, there is nothing special about those rolex pocket watches that one would do such a quality fake engraving
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkws View Post
    Well, ... either the ratchet wheel was salvaged from a wrecked Rolex-signed Cortebert movement, or the Rolex engraving is fake.
    Agree, to the point that the crown wheel and ratchet wheel do not have the appearance of the rest of the movement - they look noticeably more shiny and polished.

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    Re: What is this? ''Rolex Lever'' small pocket watch

    Quote Originally Posted by watch_expert.krd
    what is this?
    Which part? That's a comedy collection of bits. If one part is filthy, another should not have a mirror finish. Look at the two screws holding the balance. The colour of the balance bridge is totally mismatched to the rest of the movement. As for the addition of Rolex branded parts, well the vendor does have a sense of humour.
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    and how old?
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    First, suppose that the famous ship sailed by the hero Theseus in a great battle has been kept in a harbour as a museum piece. As the years go by some of the wooden parts begin to rot and are replaced by new ones. After a century or so, all of the parts have been replaced. Is the "restored" ship still the same object as the original?
    OK, we know that this one isn't the same as the original, but ignoring that, how old is the museum ship?

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    Re: What is this? ''Rolex Lever'' small pocket watch

    Prob. 1920 ties in majority
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