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    Who is the producer of this repeater?

    good day. i have this movement. I am looking for any information about producer of this movement.
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    Re: Who is the producer of this repeater?

    Not sure but it's jeweled to the hammers, that's a sign (and one-time euphemism) for quality.

    There are lots of experts here on the most arcane and esoteric movements ever created. Someone will be along shortly to tell you who manufactured it and probably what day of the week it left the atelier in 1873.
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    Re: Who is the producer of this repeater?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grégoire View Post
    Not sure but it's jeweled to the hammers, that's a sign (and one-time euphemism) for quality.

    There are lots of experts here on the most arcane and esoteric movements ever created. Someone will be along shortly to tell you who manufactured it and probably what day of the week it left the atelier in 1873.
    thanks, I'm waiting. for the moment I know that the movement was made in the 1870s, the repeater part is similar to the ulysse breting, and the bridges of the movement are similar to the patek, vacheron ...

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    Re: Who is the producer of this repeater?

    Hi there,

    Quote Originally Posted by garik View Post
    ... the repeater part is similar to the ulysse breting ...
    After comparison with this (still key wind)
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Ulysse Breting 19'''H6.5
    I'd agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by garik View Post
    ...and the bridges of the movement are similar to the patek, vacheron ...
    No clue about Vacheron, but Patek is no surprise: At least the calibre linked above was applied in the Patek Philippe No. 5715, although surprisingly with lower grade.

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    Re: Who is the producer of this repeater?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Ranfft View Post
    Hi there,



    After comparison with this (still key wind)
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Ulysse Breting 19'''H6.5
    I'd agree.


    No clue about Vacheron, but Patek is no surprise: At least the calibre linked above was applied in the Patek Philippe No. 5715, although surprisingly with lower grade.

    Regards, Roland Ranfft
    Thank you very much for the information. where can I see photo Patek Philippe No. 5715?

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    Re: Who is the producer of this repeater?

    and how to know exactly - my movement is the ulysse breting or ulysse breting redone by Patek or someone else?

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    Help evaluate a rare repeater

    Good day. I have such a mechanism.
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    it's Ulysse Breting. in the 19th century it was better than Patek Philippe.
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/wh...r-4823551.html
    bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Ulysse Breting 19'''H6.5
    https://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/ol...ng-754677.html
    what at the moment can his price be (in working condition)? higher than in Patek Phillippe or not?

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    Re: Help evaluate a rare repeater

    I am moving your thread to the vintage and pocket watch forum, where it can be better addressed/answered.

    Under the forum rules, we are not permitted to give values. With that said, Patek pieces from this era are valuable for two reasons-the high quality of their movements, and the name recognition for the fact that they continue to produce high quality movements today.

    Even though 100+ years ago, there were plenty of movement makers that were every bit the equal to if not better than Patek(Ed Koehn comes to mind), movements of a similar age, size, and amount of complication tend to still bring lower prices than a known, "real" Patek piece simply for the lack of recognition. That's not to say that the other names are worthless, but in many cases I've seen them fetch 1/2-1/3 the price of a comparable Patek.

    Also, bear in mind that much of the market for uncased Swiss movements is to Eastern European recasers who will put them in wristwatch cases and sell them. Once again, what they will pay is determined by what they think they can sell the completed piece for, and a Patek movement still carries the "Patek tax" on it.

    Looking at this piece specifically, it IS jeweled to the hammers, which is generally a sign if a high quality repeater. It also has Wolf's teeth winding and an overcoil hairspring. With that said, the escapement finish and the finish of the steelwork under the dial are, IMO, a bit lacking-they're not bad(and better than 99% of mechanical movements made today) but I've seen better. This is a nice quality movement, but I'd want to see it in hand before automatically saying "better than a Patek." Also, the lack of a dial will hurt you.
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    Re: Help evaluate a rare repeater

    Does the top plate have a large chunk missing on the edge? I see jagged parts.

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