World War II Waltham with Russian engraving

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    World War II Waltham with Russian engraving

    Hello - I recently acquired the below watch with a curious Russian engraving on the back. It seemed like a very cool piece of history - the American watch which helped the Allies win the war with a Russian engraving. I have heard rumors of American watches being given to Russian soldiers as some how affiliated with the FDR Lend-Lease program....anyone have further insight? Anyone offer a translation?

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    My folks are asleep. Their eye-sight is less than perfect. Will ask one of them to take a look at your pic. in a few hours when they wake up.
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    Re: World War II Waltham with Russian engraving

    YOu post the caseback and the dial, but no movement? You tease!

    The dial doesn't conform to any US military specifications and the original ordinance watches were all subdial, not sweep, so I doubt it was purchased by the military directly. THe "USA" on the dial makes me think this was an export watch; you often saw that on watches sent to England. The serial number on the movement will tell us loads more, and a picture of the inside of the caseback might help too.
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    Re: World War II Waltham with Russian engraving

    Answered by Tim on Vintage Watch Forums
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    the translation is: "Геройскому народу СССР Рошен Уор Релиф США" - "To the heroic people of the USSR Russian War Relief USA".

    Nice addition to your collection. The watches provided to Russia as part of the Lend Lease Act really are an interesting piece of history.
    Here's an example from a Hamilton War-Time production bulletin.

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    Re: World War II Waltham with Russian engraving

    I'm a cynic by nature, and it's easy to engrave a caseback. Without a movement photo, I wouldn't be willing to accept that it was part of that program. I have difficulty believing the US would give Russia better watches then they were giving their own troops.
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    Re: World War II Waltham with Russian engraving

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    I'm a cynic by nature, and it's easy to engrave a caseback. Without a movement photo, I wouldn't be willing to accept that it was part of that program. I have difficulty believing the US would give Russia better watches then they were giving their own troops.
    You'd be amazed what the U.S. gave to its allies as part of the Lend Lease program. And I don't just mean Russia and the U.S. government. To help with defending the British home-front, American citizens were urged by the U.S. government to donate any old but in working condition firearms to the cause. Americans gave generously. Very generously. Guns of all calibers, especially handguns were issued to British civilians who volunteered for the Home Guard. After the war was over, instead of collecting the firearms and putting them away in storage, in case they might be needed again someday, they were all destroyed. What a waste.

    Watches, guns, even food supplies in many cases were given away through Lend Lease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    I'm a cynic by nature, and it's easy to engrave a caseback. Without a movement photo, I wouldn't be willing to accept that it was part of that program. I have difficulty believing the US would give Russia better watches then they were giving their own troops.
    Truly, I hope in time you can change from a "cynic" to some one who can watch, wait and see.

    This watch in my NON 'cynic' feeling is correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monocrom View Post
    You'd be amazed what the U.S. gave to its allies as part of the Lend Lease program. And I don't just mean Russia and the U.S. government. To help with defending the British home-front, American citizens were urged by the U.S. government to donate any old but in working condition firearms to the cause. Americans gave generously. Very generously. Guns of all calibers, especially handguns were issued to British civilians who volunteered for the Home Guard. After the war was over, instead of collecting the firearms and putting them away in storage, in case they might be needed again someday, they were all destroyed. What a waste.

    Watches, guns, even food supplies in many cases were given away through Lend Lease.
    Gave??
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    Re: World War II Waltham with Russian engraving

    Adam, what do you base your "feeling" on, other then an engraving? I've already given a very good reason why I don't think it's legit.
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    Re: World War II Waltham with Russian engraving

    Quote Originally Posted by AbslomRob View Post
    Adam, what do you base your "feeling" on, other then an engraving? I've already given a very good reason why I don't think it's legit.
    I go on the belief that everyone is INNOCENT until proven GUILTY
    That said, in my experience this timepiece is biased to innocent (correct)
    You on the other hand are biased to guilty (IN correct)

    I think this watch is 100% correct, you think NOT (with no reason but gut feel)

    So lets see who is correct
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