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    Zenith 1970

    Guys,

    My name is Francisco. I am from Portugal and this is my first post.

    I recently bought this watch at a auction and was wondering if you know the history behind the fact that this zenith has a different logo from the normal star (used by zenith)?

    My search showed me that it could be related to the Zenith/Movado partnership a while back but I am not sure.

    Thank you

    Francisco

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    Re: Zenith 1970

    Welcome to the Vintage forum. That symbol is not so much related to the Zenith-Movado-Mondia partnership as with Zenith Electronics Corporation's acquisition of the three. This started in 1972 and lasted until 1978. The symbol remained after that. At the same time, the case serial number (at that time something like ###E### with the # being numerals) on the back was dropped in favour of the modern reference number system ##.####.### which I would expect yours to have. If you tell me the last three digits, I can tell you the movement.

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    Re: Zenith 1970

    Congrats and what Hartmut said about the logo. They is a good story on the Zenith website about someone at zenith taken all the equipment just before the US company took over.

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    Thank you for the reply. I am waiting for the arrival of the watch in the post. I will tell you the last three digits as soon as I receive it.

    I will post some pics too!

    Francisco

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    Re: Zenith 1970

    Hartmut
    Reference number of the watch: 40.1380.380

    Appreciate your help identifying the movement.

    Thank you

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    Re: Zenith 1970

    Cal. 2572 PC from the mid 1970s. The equipment wasn't taken by someone before it was trashed, it was hidden on the premises by Charlie Vermot. Zenith still have the capability of making the Cal. 2572 PC (which they did recently, releasing a range of watches with that movement: Zenith Heritage Port Royal, unfortunately no longer with "380" in the reference number but with "2572" instead!).

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    Re: Zenith 1970

    Hartmut,

    Thank you for the info. And what is your opinion on the movement? Is it good quality and reliable?

    Cheers

    Francisco

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    Re: Zenith 1970

    Very good quality. A reliable "tractor" - not very slim and elegant but it does what it is supposed to do: keep chronometric time and not break down. About the only thing it could be improved with is a ball bearing for the rotor.....

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    Re: Zenith 1970

    Quote Originally Posted by Hartmut Richter View Post
    Very good quality. A reliable "tractor" - not very slim and elegant but it does what it is supposed to do: keep chronometric time and not break down. About the only thing it could be improved with is a ball bearing for the rotor.....

    Hartmut Richter
    Hartmut, cal. 2552 PC and upwards do have a ball bearing for the rotor.

    Cal. 2572 PC is very good but IMHO cal. 2552 PC and 2562 PC were better; it seems to me that cal. 2572 PC is mainly a cheaper version (17 jewels instead of 23 jewels, micrometer regulator instead of excenter regulator). However cal. 2572 PC does have the advantage of date quickset in the third position of the crown (which its predecessors didn't have).
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