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    Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    Sorry to be late ANONIMO DISTRIBUTOR - USA

    Here the whole interview to Scott Moskovitz Anonimo Usa Distributor

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    Rob: Any plan for bronze buckles to match bronze watches?

    Scott: Since bronze is softer, and the buckle is the easiest part of the watch to scratch I didn't realize there is a demand for this. This wasn't made this year, but I'd love to know how big the demand for this item really is. Maybe someone could do a poll on the forum weighing softness against matching color.
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    Re: Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    Yes the buckle should match the case, especially the bronze ones.
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    Re: Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    Just thinking guys also we can have design ideas for the Bronze buckle...
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    Re: Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    My vote is for the bronze buckle. It would give a really nice flow on a black Kodiak strap.

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    Re: Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    Love the poll, and would love to have a Bronze buckle to match the excellent Bronze Anonimo case...but, are we really still discussing Bronze being significantly softer than ss and other case metals?

    I've posted this before, and really feel that the argument that UNI 5275 Bronze (CuAl11Fe4Ni4) is noticeably softer than ss (and other watch case metals) is a moot and misguided point.

    Here's my previous post:

    Just to set the record straight regarding the true physical properties of Bronze (and I'm talking specifically UNI 5275 Bronze that is being used most commonly in the manufacture of recent watch cases... as there are many, many different varieties of "Bronze"...many of which are much softer than the UNI 5275 alloy). While some makers are using a different Bronze than UNI 5275 (CuAl11Fe4Ni4), I can say that Anonimo is using this Bronze alloy.


    Let's compare the very basic mechanical properties of each that may be causing you to make comments regarding its hardness and risk to scratching and being more suseptable to nicks. I have seen some variation is specs depending on the source, but this summary of the basic specs seems to be conservative and reliable.

    In general, Alloy UNI 5275 is a heavy duty, dense, high strength alloy with hardness equal to manganese bronze with excellent resistance to seawater corrosion and fatigue. This alloy has good wearing qualities and is suitable for elevated temperature use. It exhibits good shock and high stress qualities making it suitable for heavy duty, high shock and high impact applications, bearings, worm gears and helical gears.

    UNI 5275 Bronze Alloy - Nickel Aluminum Bronze (CuAl11Fe4Ni4)
    Mechanical Properties [Typical] Continuous Cast
    Yield Strength 300 MPa
    Ultimate Tensile Strength 680 MPa
    Typical Hardness 200 HB (Brinell)


    and now Stainless Steel 316L (we know that Titanium is much softer and more succeptable to scratches and nicks)

    Stainless Steel Grade 316L

    Mechanical Properties [Typical] Continuous Cast
    Yield Strength 290 MPa
    Ultimate Tensile Strength 558 MPa
    Typical Hardness 217 HB (Brinell)


    As you can see at a very basic level the UNI5275 Bronze offers slightly superior strength (and known better resistance to corrosion) which is one of the reasons it is used in marine applications such as ship propellers. I would say that the basic material hardness is fairly comparable between ss and the UNI 5275 bronze with ss getting a slight edge here with an approximately 8% greater hardness. Keep in mind that the 'oxidation' layer that forms on Bronze is considered a key advantage to the metal as it provides a protective layer to the base material that is considered harder than the base metal as well. Sorry I don't have any specific reference to quote for the specific hardness of Bronze oxidation.

    I think that the biggest driver for Bronze or Not-Bronze is an aesthetic one...some people really like the look of Bronze new, and some really like the look of it as it develops the deep patina that the material will develop with wear, age, and exposure to environmental elements. Some people don't care for it at all, and I would say that I've read a number of opinions from those that really don't like the patina that bronze develops and don't "get it".

    I'm one of those that loves the patina that Bronze cased watches develop over time...a very unique look which IMO offers no "performance disadvantages" to some of the more mainstream materials like stainless steel.

    All IMO, of course...

    Hope that helps,

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    Re: Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    Very useful information stew77, may be Scott from Anonimo USA need to read this.
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    Re: Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    Yes, Stew (Chris) has mentioned this before I believe, and for a Nimo rep not to be aware of it is somewhat disconcerting--hopefully power through knowledge will create a satisfactory solution for all. Of course the composite bronze cases aren't significantly softer than the stainless steel counterparts--if they were we would see a bunch of very bruised and damaged cases, yet of all the aged bronze cases I have seen, I have only seen a variety of different patterns of patina. And, as some of us have done, we have procured bronze buckles elsewhere, where none of these buckles have resulted in any kind of noticeable damage either, at least to my knowledge. Good poll with predictable results (at least so far)--thanks Nelson.
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    Re: Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    Thanks Nelson and timefleas.

    I think that those of us that have owned bronze cases would have to agree with the material data here...I know that I haven't experienced any real world difference in higher number of scratches or more susceptability to dings from my bronze cases when compared to ss cased watches (there have been more than a few occasions where I have wacked the bronze case against something and upon close inspection, no ding...no scratch).

    And I would certainly say that my ss buckles receive their fair share of desk diver scratches due to the extreme rigors of desk diving.

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    Re: Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    +1 on Chris' post. The buckles should in no way be softer simply because Simona has bronze buckles and they are pretty tough...If she can make them, then I don't see why Anon can't make them using the same alloy as their cases. My hope is if they can make them in the same style as the OEM that would be fantastic. Simona's are pre-v style which can look big.

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    Re: Anonimo Bronze Buckle...IMPORTANT

    Come on Why did you change your mind ?
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