As it is, it is only human to take sides. And when there is only one side, there is hardly a choice. Now I will give my side of the story. I did not want to involve WUS members because there was no need to. Only Paypal could redress me. Now, the seller has not only decided to invite the compassion from WUS members, he has decided to draw first blood when I have only held my tongue.
It all started with the Blackspots he had put up. He wasn't able to sell it at the price he wanted, which was about 425 USD.So he reduced it to 395USD. I asked for a dicount further as all buyers naturally would be inclined to. He wouldn't budge. We agreed on 395USD.
He said his girlfriend would be coming down to Singapore and could pass me the watch. I said let's do a cash and carry then. HE SAID HE COULDN'T PASS THE WATCH TO HER GIRLFRIEND BECAUSE I HAD JUST MISSED HER BECAUSE HE JUST SENT HER TO THE AIRPOT HALF AN HOUR BEFORE MY PM. He insisted on me making payments through Paypal first and then pass me the watch.
He then said the Black Spots was sold after I was to Pay for it. Now he had put up the watch to be sold more than a month ago - IF YOU TRY TO SEARCH FOR THAT THREAD. IT IS GONE! YOU CAN ONLY SEE THE THREAD FROM 2 WEEKS AGO - he said it was still available when I was to pay for it and then turned around and said it was GONE but he has another EXACTLY like the picture. One exactly like the picture, in a slightly better condition but still with hair line scratches like the first. He says he will sell it to me at 425 USD I relented and went ahead.
Now I bought the watch because I like the Blackspots but I had a problem with the scratches. he said, THE SCRATCHES CAN BE REMOVED BY BUFFING. By that and that THE WATCH IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION WITH ORIGINAL BOX AND PAPERS. I bought it for 425USD and waited for it's arrival.
It arrived. There was no outer box. No biggie. No tag, no biggie. But I had to ask because he said it came with original box and papers and I would take it that it had everything because he did not write "with original box and papers, without the outer box and without tag. and by papers, I mean manual'. I would say that mislead. But no problem. I just had to make sure the hairlinecould be removed. The condition on the photos looked good There wasn't even visible hairlines. I went to the Casio Service Centre and they said it could NOT BE DONE.
A watch if we are to pay hundreds of dollars for ought to retain at least it's integrity of the face not having any scratches. he said there were and that IT CAN BE REMOVED THROUGH BUFFING BUT IT CANNOT!!!
I cannot accept that! Can you??
So I asked for a refund through Paypal. It has been declined but I will fight on. Since he is intent on you guys being the judge, be the judge.
First of all, to account I am not a scammer as you guys would think I am. I have bought a glorious gold frogman from cocobat, a Real Black from nick h, and GG again from alex lui of WUS. I have never pulled stunts. If I wanted to scam I would have with Nick with his Real Black because it costs more. All I wanted was a watch that can be compromised on other things but just no a unremovable Scratch on the face. A scratch he claimed can be removed but cannot in the end.
Now about this seller.
I said Suspect Character. Why?
1. Was going to do a cash and carry. Then he said I was minutes too late, the girlfriend just left. let's do Paypal instead.
2. Was going to sell it to me at 395 but suddenly sold to someone else. Pay 425 instead for a similar piece.
WHEN I BEGAN TO SUSPECT HIS CHARCTER AND THAT NO2. ABOVE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A RUSE FOR ME TO PAY MORE, I ASKED FOR PAYPAL EVIDENCE FOR THAT FIRST SPOTS SALE. HE SAID THERE WERE NONE. HE WAS PAID BY CHEQUE. I SAID FINE, THEN SURELY YOU HAVE CORRESPONDENCE WITH HIM THROUGH EMAIL OR PMS THAT YOU CAN FORWARD ME
NO MENTIONED WAS EVER MADE BY HIM ABOUT THE ABOVE.
I DID NOT PURSUE.
They could be so true and coincidental, that's why I said suspect, I didnt say confirmed.
Re the integrity of the transaction and grounds for a refund.
1. He said scratch CAN be buffed out. It CANNOT!!
You mean if I tell you the engine can work after servicing when i sell you a car and when it is beyond servicing, it is ok? No grounds for return?
Yes, you will say scratch on a face isn't the engine , maybe the functions and batteries are, I BEG TO DIFFER. One of the chief characteristics of a Frogman is it's beauty and appearance. Why would csio release so many different versions for? Why would you get a brazillian frogman and still get a carbon Frog or Dawn black?? Function is the same. It's for the Beauty of a frog. Most frog enthusiast, I GUARANTEE you will have more than 1 frog or desire more than 1 FROG. WHY?? The BEAUTY!!!
If the Beauty you tell me can be rectified and it cannot, i BELIEVE I HAVE grounds for a return and a refund!!!! MOREOVER, IF YOU GIVE ME MISLEADING INFORMATION (MORE THAN ONE AND ONCE) , DOES THAT NOT TO SOME DEGREE COME TO BEING FRAUDULENT BEHAVIOR???
SHOW ME PROOF OF THAT CORRESPONDENCE IN YOUR EMAILS OF THAT FIRST SELLER. YOU CLAIM HIS HAS HAIRLINE SCRATCHES AS WELL AND CLAIMED MY WATCH IS IN A BETTER CONDITION THAN HIS ERGO THE HIGHER COST, THEN IF MY SCRATCHES CANNOT BE REMOVED, HIS ALL THE MORE CANNOT. TELL HIM TO COME TO WUS AND CLARIFY. MAYBE WE CAN BOTH WORK ON RETURNS AND REFUNDS AND IF CANNOT, WE CAN AT LEAST CRY ON EACH OTHER'S SHOULDERS LIKE KINDRED VICTIMS.
LASTLY, YOU TOLD WUS MEMBERS THAT THE PHOTOS AND DESCRIPTION ARE BEST TO YOUR ABILITIES. BUT IF MY WATCH IS A SECOND SIMILAR WATCH, THAT MEANS IT IS NOT FROM THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS YOU POSTED. THAT MEANS YOU SHOWED WUS MEMBERS REFERENCES AND EVIDENCES THAT WERE MISLEADING AND FALSE. THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS ALREADY SHOW LESS SCRATCHES. MINE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER CONDITION . SO YOU WUS MEMBERS OUT THERE WHO SAW THE ORIGINAL AD CANNOT MAKE JUDGEMENTS BASED ON THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS HE PUT UP BECAUSE AS HE SAID, THAT WAS NOT THE WATCH HE SOLD ME. MINE'S A SECOND PIECE.
WUS, go be the judge!!!!