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    Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    I've already posted about this in the fraud alert section, but I wanted to hear what members of this forum have to say about these practices. This isn't the first watch I've seen this "reputed seller" list as a rare edition that's really slapped together from multiple watches.

    Check out this listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=001

    You'll see it's a DW-6900 Metallix (the red one) that's been taken out of its red case and placed into an all-black bezel/band. The seller is attempting to list it as a rare "real-black" edition of the watch. He's already sold frankenstines like this for $150+ on Ebay, and no one has stopped him so far.

    What do all of you think about this practice? Is it the buyer's responsibility to know what they are purchasing, or is this something that needs intervention. The seller has a great rating on e-bay, which makes his watches seem legit to the less-careful buyer. I'll admit, I was almost suckered in.

    Oh, and if you want picture comparisons of the before and after, check the post I put in the Fake Report section of this forum.

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    Re: Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    I've seen you comment on this before.

    I think responsibilities lie at many doorsteps.

    • First, the seller really shouldn't be doing this, and I'm sure they know what they're doing. Good feedback only means buyers didn't catch the fake in time, or didn't know what they were really buying.
    • Second, eBay should really be doing a better job policing the ads, and removing fakes that are reported. I know many here have reported sellers, just to see nothing done, and have since stopped reporting to ebay entirely. It seems as if eBay is just too big to actually look at itself and get rid of suspicious sellers.
    • Lastly, the buyer should always look at ads with caution, and do as much due diligence as possible before a purchase. Ignorance is not an excuse for stupidity.
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    Re: Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    Copied from his auction...

    "HERE IS A CHANGE FOR U TO OWN A RARE CASIO G SHOCK .
    UP FOR AUCTION IS A CASIO G SHOCK NEW REAL BLACK DW-6900.
    WATCH IS NEW, COMES WITH ORIGIANL BOX AND MANUAL.
    THIS IS RARE AND HARD TO FIND. DON'T MISS IT!"


    1- It is pretty rare, in that you are probably not going to see many more like it floating around.

    2- It does indeed look new. However I personally don't consider something "new" if it has been taken apart and re-assembled. He should be honest and state that its a "parts-mutt"... pieced together from 2 different brand new watches.

    3- He should state the "Original box and manual" are from either the module or band/bezel, (whichever it came from), and that the watch is transplanted together together from 2 different watches.

    His auction is mis-leading, but not a complete lie. He wants people to think the watch is original and came from the factory like that, but he doesn't clearly state that because doing so would be a complete lie. Whats the legal-term?... Lie through omission of truth (something like that).

    **edit** sorry about the bold font, it just copy-pasted over from the ebay auction.

    Last edited by kramer5150; February 6th, 2008 at 21:37.

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    Re: Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    I see you're reasoning Kramer, but his ad becomes a lie when he stated "new Real Black DW-6900" as it's not an actual Real Black.
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    Re: Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    bbtiesto is pretty famous for his limited custom G's, I have bought a few watches from him in the past number of months and never had a problem at all although I did not buy any custom G Shocks off him, I did however bid on a gold defender frogman module housed in a snake killer bezel and band of his, it was a sweet watch but a bit battered and overpriced, rare though....
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    Re: Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    Quote Originally Posted by Topher1556 View Post
    I see you're reasoning Kramer, but his ad becomes a lie when he stated "new Real Black DW-6900" as it's not an actual Real Black.
    Oh right... I didn't read the auc title... that is bad and a lie.

    Its a nice watch though, too bad the seller thinks he needs to resort to trickery to get it to sell.

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    Re: Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    Good catch on spotting this one. I wouldn't want to spend a lot on one like this and find out it's not the true "Real Black" model. But you could make the argument that this is a "Real" Casio G-Shock and it's "Black" in color. He also has "frogman" in the title to show up in search results. He has really good photos that show exactly what it is after all. A little shady, but I've seen way worse.

    I'm just glad that there's good sites like WUS where you can educate yourself about the crazy amount of G-Shocks out there. It pays to be a smart shopper.

    BTW - I've bought a couple used G-Shocks from this seller a while back and I got what expected for a good price.

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    Re: Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    It needn't make any difference to the discussion you're having, but the seller in question is a forum member. I think he posted quite recently.
    I used to list my watches here until I realised it ruined people's Google searches...

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    Re: Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    yes, I've seen the same seller sell many good items. In fact, I saw a recently closed auction for the re-release of the same watch, and it was an authentic one.
    The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.
    -Albert Einstein

    The unforgivable crime is soft hitting. Do not hit at all if it can be avoided; but never hit softly.
    -Theodore Roosevelt

    My Team
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    Omega Planet Ocean XL 2200.50.00
    Rolex Two-tone 1500
    Seiko SARB023; SBDB001; SBDC003; SBPG001; SKA371; SKA511; SKXA33; SKZ325; SLT079; SLT081; SNDA59; SNE109; SNE283; SNG045; SPB001J; SRP043; SRP227; SRP307; SSC017

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    Re: Sellers and their "Frankenstines"

    Quote Originally Posted by tribe125 View Post
    It needn't make any difference to the discussion you're having, but the seller in question is a forum member. I think he posted quite recently.
    Too bad there isn't a "code of conduct" for forum members. It's sad to see people try to take advantage of others which is what this seller is trying to do.

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