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    Re: This is why we can't have nice things....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
    Casio probably doesn't employ any native English, French, or German speakers to write their export watch manuals, so the best we can get is manuals written by Japanese technical writers who also speak English.

    As far as the tiny print goes, though, Casio's website has PDF manuals for virtually all of their products made after 1990 or so. All manuals, from calculators to cash registers: Manuals - Support - CASIO

    Watch manuals: Timepieces(Watches) - Manuals - CASIO

    For watches, just click "I agree" and then put the watch's 4-digit MODULE number (not the MODEL number) into the box and hit "enter." Zoom in as necessary, up to 1000%.
    The strange thing is that on the printed manuals there is often written what type battery the watch have. But this spec is strangely missing from the on line manuals! Perhaps this a North Korean conspiracy, they intercept the manuals as Casio upload them and edit out the battery type just to mess with Casio!
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    Re: This is why we can't have nice things....

    Quote Originally Posted by Chronopolis View Post
    All of China is on Beijing time, and that landmass is big enough to contain has 4 -5 different time zone so.s,..
    Or they used to.
    Did it change?
    No, it hasn't changed. It'll be a long time before it does.



    The geographic size of China seems to warrant multiple timezones, but the truth is that the overwhelming majority -- in one of the most demonstrably different ways than one might find in most other countries, except perhaps Russia -- of Chinese people live in UTC+7 and UTC+8. The one hour difference between UCT+7 and +8 has little impact on how most people live and work. There's little reason to inflict confusion on the predominantly unsophisticated denizens of the "yonder reaches" of the country. It's also arguably simpler for the rest of the world.

    I think that many Westerners forget or ignore that China, until recently (past 20 years or so) was a nation comprised largely of peasant farmers and other kinds of peasants. Farmers for one have for millennia not needed to concern themselves with timezones. They rise with the sun, work, and rest when the sun sets. Just as you and I can look at the sky and know the sun will be bright for hours to come or that it'll be too dark for "XYZ" in just another 15 minutes, they can too, and the timezone doesn't matter. Peasant laborers are generally grateful enough not to be peasant farmers that they'll get up and go to work whenever they have to, regardless of what time of day/night it is.

    I have only one Chinese friend from Xinjiang. He says that folks there wake and rest with the Sun. They don't worry about time it is in Beijing unless they have some reason to interact with someone in Beijing, and that's a rare occurrence. The handful of government officials who work in Western China are the people whom that most affects -- mainly when they have to contact other officials who are in the East of China -- but even they mostly "do their thing" while the sun shines locally, rather than while it shines in Beijing.

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    Re: This is why we can't have nice things....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
    My point (in either post) wasn't that it IS a waste of time to manually adjust our otherwise-self-adjusting watches, but to point out exactly WHY we have to adjust them (and exactly why nobody can build an otherwise-self-adjusting, standalone watch with world time that will still be accurate in ten or fifty years!)

    Any country can change timezones or DST dates at will, thus making every existing watch (that was built to follow older, different rules) just a little bit obsolete. The engineers at Casio are apparently smart enough NOT to pre-program a watch that way, despite a few members in some older threads who claimed to want just that.
    what about the Gs with gps? wouldnt they rely on where you are in the world and not what time zone youre in?
    dst will forever be an adjust as you go kind of deal since the days and dates always seem to change. so glad i dont have to deal with that!
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    Re: This is why we can't have nice things....

    Quote Originally Posted by tony20009 View Post
    The geographic size of China seems to warrant multiple timezones, but the truth is that the overwhelming majority -- in one of the most demonstrably different ways than one might find in most other countries, except perhaps Russia -- of Chinese people live in UTC+7 and UTC+8.
    I've often wondered about that myself -- geographically, China spans at least 5 timezones based on the neighboring countries. Your post (and graphic) neatly explain WHY they can get away with only one!

    Quote Originally Posted by soulbridgemedia View Post
    what about the Gs with gps? wouldnt they rely on where you are in the world and not what time zone youre in?
    That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to! They can determine where the wearer is located, and in large areas like North America, determine the correct time. If someone is traveling across Europe though, right along the UDT +1 and +2 border, what happens then?

    Unless GPS watches are linked to some sort of database, I doubt they'll be 100% accurate when it comes to telling the time on the other side of the globe. If they are, though, it would be relatively easy to update a database whenever a country switches DST dates or timezones.
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    Re: This is why we can't have nice things....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
    So you're simply IGNORING the point just to bash low-hanging comedic fruit, that pretty much nobody cares about or takes seriously. A lot of things that North Korea does aren't really relevant to most of us, but when they do something like create a new timezone, that IS at least somewhat relevant to a watch forum.



    No, in fact, I don't -- but since you apparently do, what exactly is YOUR point?

    Since you're making me guess, I'll GUESS that it's "South Korea: hates North Korea, would like to distance themselves from that insanity as much as possible, would like to KEEP their shared timezone with Japan and/or would go to great lengths to NOT change their timezone as well."

    MOST people here have gotten the main point of this thread, but if WUS history continues as it has in the past, there will still be at least one person this autumn who will post about his confusion of why his "world time" watch is "wrong." Until this thread went off the rails, this would have been a good example of why their watch isn't wrong -- but their expectations might have been.
    Ok Mike, what ever you recon mate, cheers



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    Re: This is why we can't have nice things....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
    No, in fact, I don't -- but since you apparently do, what exactly is YOUR point?

    Since you're making me guess, I'll GUESS that it's "South Korea: hates North Korea, would like to distance themselves from that insanity as much as possible, would like to KEEP their shared timezone with Japan and/or would go to great lengths to NOT change their timezone as well."

    MOST people here have gotten the main point of this thread, but if WUS history continues as it has in the past, there will still be at least one person this autumn who will post about his confusion of why his "world time" watch is "wrong." Until this thread went off the rails, this would have been a good example of why their watch isn't wrong -- but their expectations might have been.
    Jesus, man. You're a little high strung. You're the one who brought up South Korea in the first place, so I'm not the one who ruined your precious thread.

    Since I do know a lot of Koreans, both in SK and abroad, I'm going to be more nuanced than you about it. It's not hate, but I promise that nobody in Seoul outside of military analysts cares a bit how they do it in Pyongyang. This can't possibly have any effect on South Korea's timezone. Exhibit A: In South Korea right now it's 2014. In North Korea it's Juche 104.
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    Re: This is why we can't have nice things....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Monocle View Post
    Since I do know a lot of Koreans, both in SK and abroad, I'm going to be more nuanced than you about it. It's not hate, but I promise that nobody in Seoul outside of military analysts cares a bit how they do it in Pyongyang. This can't possibly have any effect on South Korea's timezone. Exhibit A: In South Korea right now it's 2014. In North Korea it's Juche 104.
    So why couldn't you have been a little more "nuanced" and just said that in the first place? Apparently it's more fun to toss out cryptic one-liners and then keep us guessing for five days!

    Once again, though, in boldface since a few people either ignored or just couldn't seem to grasp this part: I didn't start this topic because "OMG, North Korea changed their timezone!!!!1!" and/or "what's this going to mean to the rest of the world?!?!"

    I brought it up because "Oh, look, another government decided to arbitrarily mess with their timezone(s) and/or DST dates, and THIS is why Casio can't make an inexpensive, 100% accurate "world time watch'"
    -- which is a question that regularly comes up here twice a year when some OCD member notices that his watch is "wrong." I used the current Korean example because it was current news a week ago, but if I'd used Venezuela or Samoa instead -- since they're two other relatively recent examples -- some other argumentative morons apparently would have accused me of being anti-Samoan or some sort of pro-Chavez socialist for "worrying" about THEIR timezones.
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    Re: This is why we can't have nice things....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
    So why couldn't you have been a little more "nuanced" and just said that in the first place? Apparently it's more fun to toss out cryptic one-liners and then keep us guessing for five days!

    Once again, though, in boldface since a few people either ignored or just couldn't seem to grasp this part: I didn't start this topic because "OMG, North Korea changed their timezone!!!!1!" and/or "what's this going to mean to the rest of the world?!?!"

    I brought it up because "Oh, look, another government decided to arbitrarily mess with their timezone(s) and/or DST dates, and THIS is why Casio can't make an inexpensive, 100% accurate "world time watch'"
    -- which is a question that regularly comes up here twice a year when some OCD member notices that his watch is "wrong." I used the current Korean example because it was current news a week ago, but if I'd used Venezuela or Samoa instead -- since they're two other relatively recent examples -- some other argumentative morons apparently would have accused me of being anti-Samoan or some sort of pro-Chavez socialist for "worrying" about THEIR timezones.
    Mike, take a few breaths mate, lighten up, you have a habit of talking to people like they are dickheads, its not a good look, cheers



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    This is why we can't have nice things....

    His father Kim Jong-il shot 11 holes-in-one en route to a 38 under par game - on his first try at golf. (Google it)

    Truthfully, accomplishments like these, and many more, are too large for one time zone to contain.



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    Re: This is why we can't have nice things....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike K View Post
    So you're simply IGNORING the point just to bash low-hanging comedic fruit, that pretty much nobody cares about or takes seriously. A lot of things that North Korea does aren't really relevant to most of us, but when they do something like create a new timezone, that IS at least somewhat relevant to a watch forum.



    No, in fact, I don't -- but since you apparently do, what exactly is YOUR point?

    Since you're making me guess, I'll GUESS that it's "South Korea: hates North Korea, would like to distance themselves from that insanity as much as possible, would like to KEEP their shared timezone with Japan and/or would go to great lengths to NOT change their timezone as well."

    MOST people here have gotten the main point of this thread, but if WUS history continues as it has in the past, there will still be at least one person this autumn who will post about his confusion of why his "world time" watch is "wrong." Until this thread went off the rails, this would have been a good example of why their watch isn't wrong -- but their expectations might have been.
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