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    Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    First off, I realize this topic is going to be very controversial, I apologize for that... my intention is not to insult anyone, or offend anyone's taste in watches.

    I recently picked up a Chinese MM homage in order to gauge my comfort with the Panerai style of watch and see if it was something I could love. I'm usually of the opinion that homages are ok, but they feel like you're kind of cheating a little. I bought the MM homage to consider buying a real deal Panerai, bottom line, I do like the look on me... So now I've begun the process of understanding a bit of the history of the Panerai style watch itself. I was really kind of shocked to learn that the original Panerai style watch was in actuality... a Rolex watch. A Rolex design, with Rolex movement, Rolex crown, and Rolex caseback...

    Furthermore, it looks like the brand itself really (almost) died a long time ago, and the current resurgence is really due to Sly Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Ok gross exaggeration, but really when you really look at it... isn't the current line of Panerai really a homage to the Rolex made Panerai watches of the 30s-50s? And if this is the case doesn't that make buying a homage from another manufacturer equally legitimate... at least for the ETA based models?

    For example Dievas makes some really interesting homages of those original watches produced by Rolex... pictured below.



    Normally one springs for the original, like I can't buy a Rolex Submariner homage, because I'd feel like I should just own the original... but in the case of Panerai... I don't really feel like that's true. Furthermore I feel like since this is the case... the price tags for Panerai seems really crazy. So why not buy one of these Dievas watches... get the same homage effect for a mere fraction of the price...

    Again I do NOT mean this to inflame, although I realize it probably will... I'm just trying to decide whether it's really worth it to put a modern Panerai on my list of wants, or if I'm just being suckered in by clever marketing around a homage.

    Thanks for your thoughts...

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    Re: Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    The Richemont group disagrees with you.

    In all seriousness, I suppose it is really up to you.
    I don't think anyone who cares about history puts Panerai in the same echelon as haute horlogerie brands or even Rolex.

    Those are pretty interesting replicas of the Radiomirs.

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    Re: Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    Quote Originally Posted by shnjb View Post
    The Richemont group disagrees with you.

    In all seriousness, I suppose it is really up to you.
    I don't think anyone who cares about history puts Panerai in the same echelon as haute horlogerie brands or even Rolex.

    Those are pretty interesting replicas of the Radiomirs.
    And Richemont is probably my favorite group out there.... but as I learn more and more about Panerai... I find I'm coming to the same conclusion as you..

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    Re: Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    Quote Originally Posted by Doboji View Post
    And Richemont is probably my favorite group out there.... but as I learn more and more about Panerai... I find I'm coming to the same conclusion as you..
    But they do make interesting designs, just like Hublots, Richard Mille, etc.
    In the end, except for the high-end stuff, design and brand image are what draws us to most watches.

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    Re: Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    You're dangerously close to being sucked into a whirlpool.

    The history of watchmaking is one of mergers, acquisition, resuscitations, co-operative development and recycling of designs. If lineage matters, and to some it does, Panerai has it and Dievas doesn't.

    If all you're after is style, regardless of history and quality, then just buy the cheapest.

    There are also aspects of the Rolex/Panerai story that you are undervaluing or misconstruing. Panerai wasn't a simple 'copier' in the way that you imply, it was a company concerned with the procurement of specialist watches for the Italian government. Naturally, it looked to the expertise of Cortébert/Rolex.
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    Re: Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    Quote Originally Posted by shnjb View Post
    But they do make interesting designs, just like Hublots, Richard Mille, etc.
    In the end, except for the high-end stuff, design and brand image are what draws us to most watches.
    I guess bottom line, I really love the original Panerai/Rolex look... And I'm having a hard time seeing why buying a Dievas homage of that look which is no longer for sale is any different than buying a Modern Panerai homage of that same look. Well other than it costing a fraction of the price...

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    Re: Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    I've come across this quote once:

    "No self-respecting man would ever wear an homage watch."

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    Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    History always seems a bit foggy from brand to brand and is not always epic. Many manufacturers have been through countless ownership changes to go with dark days of design failures and strange product direction. I think history can be overrated when it comes to buying watches. The bottom line is when most people see this design they think one brand and only that brand.
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    Re: Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    Max, I think what Dienekes wrote just above sums it up. Yes of course you can own an Homage and it may have the look and feel of a Panerai. But knowing you as I've come to know, you don't truly respect homage pieces and I don't see you wearing one long term. If you want a Panerai, forget the history, the inbreeding, the connections to anything. There is only one Panerai. One. And if you want to strap one to your wrist, buy the real thing.
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    Re: Aren't Panerai watches really homages of Rolex, and if so...

    Quote Originally Posted by RBrylawski View Post
    Max, I think what Dienekes wrote just above sums it up. Yes of course you can own an Homage and it may have the look and feel of a Panerai. But knowing you as I've come to know, you don't truly respect homage pieces and I don't see you wearing one long term. If you want a Panerai, forget the history, the inbreeding, the connections to anything. There is only one Panerai. One. And if you want to strap one to your wrist, buy the real thing.
    My wallet is literally crying right now as this truth sinks in... why couldn't I have hated the look? I love this thing... but I can't bring myself to wear it out of the house.. isn't that sad and ridiculous? I really really want to wear it out... but I need a way to justify it to myself as acceptable... and I just can't do it...
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