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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    Quote Originally Posted by slcbbrown View Post
    B&P is nice to get, but the condition of the watch is a whole lot bigger deal-- and, they aren't connected.
    This right here. The watch condition is way more important than having the b&p.

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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    For me it would matter a lot, I know they can be faked but still helps with peace of mind

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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    No box ad papers, no sale.
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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    depends on age. for a modern piece, and if I thought I might have to flip at some point, obviously b+p is preferred.
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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    if you are a collector, investor then yes.

    But if you are like me, just a dude that wears a sport watch then I guess there's no need for it. I don't even care for packaging on the new watch, I told out the watch and ziplock the packaging inside a poly bag and it will sit there for years on the shelve.

    With that said, it's all depending on the price offered and how confident about the (used) watch. You can flip a Rolex without paper without much trouble, don't try that with a Panerai with ETA movement, it's a mine field out there and people knows it.
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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    It would have to be a hell of a lot cheaper than the market rate. Then, I would definitely consider it.

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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    Not a deal breaker for me necessarily, but I would much prefer to have full provenance.

    After doing due diligence for authenticity, etc, as long as the pricing reflects the lack of full provenance, I think that it is still okay.
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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    So much effort and skill seems to be devoted to forging Rolex's. If you have any reason to be suspicious -- no box/papers; price seems too good; don't have a good feeling about the seller -- I'd take it to an AD with a watchmaker and have him open up the case and have a look. It's a small cost compared with the value of the watch. And worth it if you avoid buying a "Frankenstein" watch that's been repaired with cheap or generic parts from who knows where.
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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    As I've read in other threads, papers can be forged and boxes can be bought separately.

    So, even if it came with box and papers I'd still send it to an RSC for authentication.

    Price and condition matters most to me; box and papers are only secondary.

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    Re: Box and Paper...is it a deal breaker if you're buying a used Rolex sub?

    Buy from a reputable seller either here or elsewhere. When I bought mine, I was looking for a specific year in great condition and knew it would never be sold. It didn't have the B&P, but the seller was great. Clear pics and great communication. The same for my speedy. Both were priced accordingly.

    I would prefer B&P for a piece I wasn't really sure would be a keeper. Don't rely on B&P as an authentication tool. If a watch can be convincingly faked, they can too...much more easily.

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