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    Buying used watches without papers or box

    While it may be obvious to others, wanted to hear from others why some watches are sold without boxes or papers.

    Personally, I never throw anything away for many reasons. I would think for some higher end watches it would make sense to keep everything but everyone is different.

    I recently purchased a Panerai 422 used on Chrono. Was from a US seller but came only with the inner box. There were no papers as well. For as best as I can see the watch is legit based on posts I’ve found but who knows.

    It just got me to think about this.


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    Re: Buying used watches without papers or box

    I'm sure a lot of people just miss place them. I've bought pre owned watches from people who couldn't find the spare links they took out when they bought it. Knock offs usually come with a box anyway.

    Nobody knows until a watch maker who's familiar with Panerai pops off that case back. Panerai are one of the most faked watch brands in the world especially since some use an ETA movement it can be hard to tell.
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    Re: Buying used watches without papers or box

    Grey market purchases often don't have papers. And some people think they will never sell a watch so they don't bother keeping the box and stuff. And then when they sell it makes the price lower without the set.

    Personally I hate the boxes. If it wasn't necessary to keep them for resale purposes and value I would throw them all out. All they do is waste space in my closet and I see them 2x ever. As I'm going to take the watch out when I first get it. And when I package it up to sell. If it's a watch I'm keeping then I only ever see the box once.

    Papers have value to me only if the manufacturer warranty is still active. Besides that... More junk that I only keep because others value it if I ever get rid of that watch.

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    Re: Buying used watches without papers or box

    Quote Originally Posted by gohmdoree View Post
    While it may be obvious to others, wanted to hear from others why some watches are sold without boxes or papers. Personally, I never throw anything away for many reasons. I would think for some higher end watches it would make sense to keep everything but everyone is different. I recently purchased a Panerai 422 used on Chrono. Was from a US seller but came only with the inner box. There were no papers as well. For as best as I can see the watch is legit based on posts I’ve found but who knows. It just got me to think about this. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    If you want to know if your Panerai is real please make a thread at the Panerai forum. They are one of the most faked brands.
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    Re: Buying used watches without papers or box

    Best to buy the seller first, then the watch.

    The extras are not a deal breaker for me if the watch is good.
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    Re: Buying used watches without papers or box

    Extras are not a deal breaker but do represent a significant portion of the value of a watch. I've seen highly collectable pieces sell for 15-50% less due to lack of kit.

    If you're going to buy only the watch:

    1) Use an escrow service
    2) Get a really good deal compared to a full kit example

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    Re: Buying used watches without papers or box

    i wouldn't buy any modern rolex without papers.
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    Re: Buying used watches without papers or box

    I just bought a Ulysse Nardin Marine Chronometer with the box but no papers. But I bought it from a reputable shop (Govberg) who is also a UN AD.

    And when I sent the reference and movement number to UN, they wrote me back in a day telling me when it was first sold (2015).

    I like getting the papers because the history interests me. But not everyone thinks to keep that stuff. It won’t keep me from buying a watch I otherwise want.

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    Re: Buying used watches without papers or box

    Non WIS are not so anal as us when it comes to their time pieces.

    My wife has a Rolex that she bought in Dubai from a dealer before I met her, has she got the box and papers??

    Course not!! why would you keep an old watch box cluttering up the place!!

    Would I buy a regularily faked watch without box and papers?? Not unless it was from a suitably reputable source, and discounted to reflect the missing items.
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    Re: Buying used watches without papers or box

    Thanks for all of the feedback and a lot just seems to be expected.

    I am relatively new to this field so appreciate the teaching.

    I will go ahead and post the piece on the Panerai forum as well.




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