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    Which chronographs have jumping minutes?

    Specifically, ETA 2894-2 as L650?

    My Speedy Pro861 and Longines Master Moon 7753 both do, and I need it for practical use.

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    Re: Which chronographs have jumping minutes?

    The 2894 does not have jumping minutes, nor do many famous Lemania movements.

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    Re: Which chronographs have jumping minutes?

    Please excuse my ignorance, but what's jumping minutes? Jumping minutes for the Chronograph counter?
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    Jaeger-LeCoultre Reverso Tribute Small Seconds
    Officine Panerai Radiomir PAM 720
    Rolex Submariner 114060 (No Date)
    Cartier Santos WSSA0010
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    Seiko SKX009
    Casio G-Shock Rangeman GW-9400-1
    Casio G-Shock GA-700
    Casio G-Shock DW-5600E
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    Re: Which chronographs have jumping minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by dantan View Post
    Please excuse my ignorance, but what's jumping minutes? Jumping minutes for the Chronograph counter?
    That's what I'm assuming. It is accomplished by using a 30-tooth wheel on the minutes totalizer hand, with a mild spring detent against the wheel teeth so that it only points to exact minutes. The chronograph seconds hand has a single sharp single tooth that just catches that minute totalizer wheel on its way by, nudging it to the next detent position.

    A fully geared minutes hand is less finicky, and works fine with reasonable dial design, but I understand the appeal. I have jumping minutes on watches that use Zenith, 7750, and ST-19 movements, thus hitting most price points. My Lemania-based chronographs don't have the feature. One of my 7750 movements doesn't engage the minutes wheel reliably, and the minutes totalizer stops after 3 or 4 minutes. That will get handled on the next service, but that's not the sort of failure that directly geared minutes totalizers are subject to.

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    Vintage: JLC: ref. 2953, ca. 1946; Longines: Flagship cal 285; Zodiac: SST cal. 86, Aerospace GMT cal. 72; Favre-Leuba: cal. 253; Tianjin: Dong Feng cal. ST5; Elgin: Gr. 152 (1898), Gr. 384 (1919); Ebel: ca. 1962 ref. 9214955
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    Re: Which chronographs have jumping minutes?

    The closest I can come with a jumping hour and the minutes on a rotating disk...:

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    Re: Which chronographs have jumping minutes?

    Thanks guys - what about the Lemania 5100?

    And yes - as described for jumping minutes.

    Cool Waltham! Is the 60 subdial a minutes totalizer or time-of-day seconds?

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    Re: Which chronographs have jumping minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by acpracing View Post
    Thanks guys - what about the Lemania 5100?
    The 5100 uses a directly driven chronograph train, similarly to the higher-grade Lemania 1340. Both were originally designed for a central minutes totalizer, rather than in a subdial. Jumping minutes makes little sense in that arrangement.

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    Vintage: JLC: ref. 2953, ca. 1946; Longines: Flagship cal 285; Zodiac: SST cal. 86, Aerospace GMT cal. 72; Favre-Leuba: cal. 253; Tianjin: Dong Feng cal. ST5; Elgin: Gr. 152 (1898), Gr. 384 (1919); Ebel: ca. 1962 ref. 9214955
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    Re: Which chronographs have jumping minutes?

    Quote Originally Posted by acpracing View Post
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    Cool Waltham! Is the 60 subdial a minutes totalizer or time-of-day seconds?
    Thank you, yes, it's a totalizer.
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    Re: Which chronographs have jumping minutes?

    My Sinn EZM10, designed to mimic the high legibility of the beloved Lemania 5100, has a centrally-mounted chronograph minute hand that jumps when the seconds passes 12. I prefer this so much more that the constant-moving minute indicator simply because I have become accustomed to it.
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    I am curious what practical use do you need this feature for OP? I mean if you are really into timing things a mechanical chronograph analog subdial is far from optimum.

    A digital watch would achieve this exceptionally well, and if you wanted go a little more upscale than the Breitling professional watches which combine analog and digital would do this also.

    Just saying in the 21st century nothing that really matters is timed analog, sports, science, music etc.

    Now of course if you think this is a cool feature that you like, well that's different.

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